DACA

[Hastur]

To a European this is one of those uniquely US phenomenon. To have two separate paths to citizenship. One legal and one illegal. Some kind of guaranteed amnesty for certain crimes with added reward of citizenship. This kind of lawlessness wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else.

I can only understand it in a context of the high demand for cheap illegal workers with next to no rights. Slavery light. The state picks up the bill by rewarding the children of the slaves. Modern freedmen.

[Ex-California]

To a European this is one of those uniquely US phenomenon. To have two separate paths to citizenship. One legal and one illegal. Some kind of guaranteed amnesty for certain crimes with added reward of citizenship. This kind of lawlessness wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else.

I can only understand it in a context of the high demand for cheap illegal workers with next to no rights. Slavery light. The state picks up the bill by rewarding the children of the slaves. Modern freedmen.

I'm glad to see my views on the subject confirmed from an outside prospective

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

DACA started in 2012.

"Started," good word--you mean President wrote it into law. Trump could've ended it today, but he thought he'd give congress a chance to find some solution first, like the authoritarian dictator he is.

I don't recall saying anything anti-Trump. Having the legislative branch reflect on past executive orders seems like one of them healthy operations of checks n' balances what I heard about in jr. high.

Fact is, there are pro DACA arguments that aren't entirely feelz-based.

[Speaker to Animals]

Parents being responsible for what happens to their children is precisely the point. Again, it might seem expedient to chuck the kids out, but do we really want to set that as a standard for justice?

Yes. The alternative is to have the state take on the cost of raising the children, or amnesty.

Those are some alternatives. Not the most creative ones.

Either way, I hope none of you wind up committing a crime that the state decides it will be expedient to punish your children for.

But they are not being punished. They are being removed from the nation in which they illegally reside and sent back home.

[Zlaxer]

To a European this is one of those uniquely US phenomenon. To have two separate paths to citizenship. One legal and one illegal. Some kind of guaranteed amnesty for certain crimes with added reward of citizenship. This kind of lawlessness wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else.

I can only understand it in a context of the high demand for cheap illegal workers with next to no rights. Slavery light. The state picks up the bill by rewarding the children of the slaves. Modern freedmen.

Cheap labor and votes.


Both parties are selling out their constituents for cheap votes and donor money for cheap labor. Money will run out, eventually....and then poloticians will turn to cartels (who have an increasing presence in the US)....then, will look like every other country south of us (no law and overtly corrupt government)....then I move....

[Zlaxer]

Yes. The alternative is to have the state take on the cost of raising the children, or amnesty.

Those are some alternatives. Not the most creative ones.

Either way, I hope none of you wind up committing a crime that the state decides it will be expedient to punish your children for.

But they are not being punished. They are being removed from the nation in which they illegally reside and sent back home.

The left thinks America is the reason most of South America is poor as shit....not like it's the fault of the Spanish.....or God forbid, South Americans themselves....thus, America must give some of its wealth to South Americans....Like it was said earlier....nothing will happen until Becky can't buy her fucking $400 designer purse.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

But they are not being punished. They are being removed from the nation in which they illegally reside and sent back home.

They are being taken from the awesome country in which they have lived their entire lives, by no choice of their own, and being moved to the shitty country that their parents committed a crime to escape from.

Seems like a punishment.

I suppose you could say that, having attained the age of reason, the truly virtuous among them would have voluntarily removed themselves... but that seems to expect an unrealistic level of saintliness.

[Ex-California]

[Zlaxer]

But they are not being punished. They are being removed from the nation in which they illegally reside and sent back home.

They are being taken from the awesome country in which they have lived their entire lives, by no choice of their own, and being moved to the shitty country that their parents committed a crime to escape from.

Seems like a punishment.

I suppose you could say that, having attained the age of reason, the truly virtuous among them would have voluntarily removed themselves... but that seems to expect an unrealistic level of saintliness.

Who cares if it seems like punishment.....why are you favoring them over inner city black? There's only so much $$$ to go around.....Why do they deserve to get a cut of it?


Post some stats showing illegals pay more in taxes then they use in government subsidies - then maybe I'll update my position.


You're essentially mandating that we take care of the poor of the world....why is that our job?

[Hastur]

It's not just the lawmakers. You love your cheap nannies, housekeepers, gardeners, carpenters, handymen, pool cleaners etc. You don't want to pay the full prize and forward the bill to society as a whole. The poor exploited illegals must be rewarded.

And as always it's the Democrats who stands on the barricades, defending slavery. There is no end to the collective hypocrisy.