Trump tells NATO to Ante up & fix priorities

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Re: Trump tells NATO to Ante up & fix priorities

Post by ssu » Fri May 26, 2017 2:26 am

C-Mag wrote:Thanks

So 23 of 28 NATO countries aren't paying their dues. That's kind of crazy. I thought Trump was pretty good on this, he said the AMerican Taxpayers are footing the bill for your security- I paraphrase. I think the US pays 70% + of the NATO budget.


How you feeling about NATO these days.
As I've said earlier, Trump has insisted on the member state defence spending agreement of 2% gdp far better than Obama. His antics raised the question far better than Obama did.

Otherwise, his "fixing priorities" to combat terrorism shows his ignorance about NATO...still. Because that NATO, the one focused on terrorism and other threats (and not giving a shit about common defence and article 5) was the NATO of the 1990's and of the early 2000's. Only after Crimea they had a nasty wake up that they actually are a defence pact.

Funnily Trump makes it sound like that the countries should be paying to the US. (Just sounds that way)
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Re: Trump tells NATO to Ante up & fix priorities

Post by Ph64 » Fri May 26, 2017 2:27 am

Smitty-48 wrote: Yeah, well, you Americans live in a media bubble alright, apparently you think that it reflects the real world; just another reason you're a bunch of idiots.

The media faithfully reports all of Donald Trump's gibberish, just before they report on all of Justin Trudeau's blubbering, big whoop, they're both clowns.

It's a 24 hour news media with nothing to report 90% of the time, so they just run a loop of celebrity poltician follies, and most people pay no attention to it, who knew? Lowest ratings of anything on TV.
Worse yet, they both usually come after Justin Beiber and some other stupid celebrities. :p
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Re: Trump tells NATO to Ante up & fix priorities

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri May 26, 2017 2:36 am

The 2% is meaningless, it's an entirely political construct, Estonia spends 2% and that amounts to nothing, Canada spends 1% and that's the sixth biggest spender in US dollars and seventh largest in terms of troop strength, the 2% metric is stupid, it also doesn't break down into what that money is actually being spent on, because many NATO countries are just spending that on useless make work, a pure jobs program boondoggle, whereas others are spending less but deploying elite forces, the Greek and Turkish armies are huge, but they does almost nothing for NATO and they're all conscripts.

The Americans, British, French, and Canadians; are the elite of NATO, then there's everybody else, and very little of the actual work in the field, has anything to do with the amount of money being spent by the national defense budgets, because it's not neccesarily allocated to NATO.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Fri May 26, 2017 2:39 am

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Smitty-48 wrote: Yeah, well, you Americans live in a media bubble alright, apparently you think that it reflects the real world; just another reason you're a bunch of idiots.

The media faithfully reports all of Donald Trump's gibberish, just before they report on all of Justin Trudeau's blubbering, big whoop, they're both clowns.

It's a 24 hour news media with nothing to report 90% of the time, so they just run a loop of celebrity poltician follies, and most people pay no attention to it, who knew? Lowest ratings of anything on TV.
Worse yet, they both usually come after Justin Beiber and some other stupid celebrities. :p
The fucking Americans, we didn't make Justin Beiber famous, they did, nobody had ever heard of him here, until he went to the USA and became this monster superstar there. Thanks Ameribama.
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Re: Trump tells NATO to Ante up & fix priorities

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri May 26, 2017 2:51 am

Like, I hate to say that Justin Trudeau is right, but Justin Trudeau is right, Trump doesn't have a fuckin' clue what he's blabbering on about, he's just latching on to some stupid American populist meme, but it has nothing to do with the reality on the ground, it's pretty fuckin' ridiculous, when the American Commander-in-Chief, has to be schooled on military matters, by a substitute drama teacher from Montreal.

The Americans; it's all blabbering nonsense, it's all about their domestic partisan bunfight, but when they take that on the road, they look like idiots.

Trump comes to the NATO conference and shoots his mouth off like he's a tough guy, for domestic poltical consumption, but behind his back everybody is just rolling their eyes, he's getting jack shit done for America here, NATO will in the end just ignore him.

What's he gonna do, pull out of NATO? Yeah, whatever, America, you're totally full of shit. Keep on blustering about it, let us know when you're leaving; everybody is calling your domestic political bluff. Unless it's Eastern Europe, nobody fucking cares anyways.

The biggest entreched interest demanding a NATO, is not in Brussels, it's in Washington, so get real.
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Re: Trump tells NATO to Ante up & fix priorities

Post by Ph64 » Fri May 26, 2017 3:06 am

Best thing the US could do is just exit NATO. If Europe wants to keep a defense force, fine, they can keep it going and I'm sure the US will sell them weapons like we do to everyone else around the planet. Honestly I see no reason we should be going to war because Russia invades Latvia or something.
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Re: Trump tells NATO to Ante up & fix priorities

Post by Alexander PhiAlipson » Fri May 26, 2017 3:08 am

Ph64 wrote:Best thing the US could do is just exit NATO. If Europe wants to keep a defense force, fine, they can keep it going and I'm sure the US will sell them weapons like we do to everyone else around the planet. Honestly I see no reason we should be going to war because Russia invades Latvia or something.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Fri May 26, 2017 3:10 am

Ph64 wrote:Best thing the US could do is just exit NATO. If Europe wants to keep a defense force, fine, they can keep it going and I'm sure the US will sell them weapons like we do to everyone else around the planet. Honestly I see no reason we should be going to war because Russia invades Latvia or something.
But you're never going to do it, so it's all talk, NATO is an American Military Industrial Complex entrenched interest, it's pork in the districts, it's not Latvia forcing Americans to project power accross the north Atlantic, anymore than Latvia is forcing Americans to project power worldwide, it's the Pentagon, it's the Defense Contractors, it's Wall Street, it's the voters who demand their defense pork and associated military bases, has nothing to do with the Latvians, America would sell the Latvians down the river in a heartbeat, as if you would really go to war with the Russians if they invaded Latvia; get real.

If the Russians invade Latvia, America would talk about it ceaselessly, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, but otherwise just fall back to Poland.

Best thing for America would be to quit shining us on with all your bullshit, because no one is taking you seriously anymore. The domestic political bullshit has now reached such a level of nonsensical blather, that nobody believes anything the Americans say anymore.

Nevermind that your Neo-Isolationist fantasy that being in NATO is what would cause a war with Russia and not being in NATO would prevent that war, is nonsense, wouldn't go to war for Latvia, but could still bumblefuck your way into a war with the Russians none the less, NATO or no NATO.

The inherent confrontation between the nuclear powers is worldwide, and frontline with Russia is not in Europe, it's over the pole, and the most likley scenario is not Russia invading Latvia, it's launch on false warning by mistake. Mostly likely the Russians launching becuase their early warning system is nowhere near as comprehensive as America's, so one day the Russian MIRV's would just appear over the pole and nobody in America would even know why, launch on warning hair trigger alert, eventually that hair trigger just breaks by mistake.
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Re: Trump tells NATO to Ante up & fix priorities

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri May 26, 2017 3:49 am

ssu wrote:Funnily Trump makes it sound like that the countries should be paying to the US. (Just sounds that way)
Not funnily, that is the point, the whole 2% bugaboo is just the US MIC trying to drum up more sales, but good luck with that, Trump tells NATO to ante up, but NATO is not actually a state with a government, so everybody just shrugs and ignores him, because the only country which is ostensibly in charge, is the USA, and since nobody else is in charge, they'll take no responsibility for it, not their problem.

The fly in the American ointment, is that they insist on having absolute control of NATO, which simply results in them having absolute repsonsibility for it, by default.

Americans blabbing to "NATO, NATO, NATO" as if that was a place, problem being; it's not.

Why don't you just complain to the President of NATO, Donald Trump? Oh wait a minute; you're the President of NATO you fucking moron, wise up.

This is all just theatrics for the goobers and hayseeds back in Dumbassvile, USA, the President of NATO barking at himself.
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Re: Trump tells NATO to Ante up & fix priorities

Post by de officiis » Fri May 26, 2017 5:20 am

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