Secession

[C-Mag]

I reading 130,000 evacuated. Engineers are thinking erosion may not be as bad as originally thought.

I saw pics about a week ago of the spillway. Looked like they had some bad base material that eroded away and let the center of the concrete spillway collapse.

When the spillway is 50 years old and has never had water in it, it's easy maintenance to defer.

[C-Mag]

I heard someone say that 80% of the almonds and 70% of the rice grown in that state will get wiped out. But I don't think that many trees would die.

We need to go on a serious effort in this country to de-centralize our food production.

It's a little ridiculous to ship water and power from the PNW to a desert to grow tomatos and lettuce. Then spend fuel to ship it across the country. We have the tech to grow that stuff year round anywhere in the country. We should cost this out. I think it would be far more efficient and sustainable to change our food production model.

[TheReal_ND]

Rice farmers here in Texas will be slightly pleased. Probably not happy about other farmers losing money though.

[KerningChameleon]

I remember like a couple years ago in the SCF there was a topic about hydroponic farming. Before it descended into sovereign citizen freeman-on-the-land jacking off, the point was there would need to be a MAJOR investment in energy generation for it to be feasible. Everything in the economy ultimately ties back to energy.

You really want MAGA? Write to Donald and your Congressmen to unshackle the nuclear industry already. And crack heads on dumbass protesters who actually deserve it, Greenpeace idiots. There's the real energy independence we all crave.

[C-Mag]

Live Feed coverage of the dam and evac if you want to see it

[jbird4049]

I heard someone say that 80% of the almonds and 70% of the rice grown in that state will get wiped out. But I don't think that many trees would die.

Almond trees are thirsty, and the rich farmers along with big agribusinesses keep planting more of them in the hotter near bone dry areas in the valley. When they cannot buy water rights they just built water wells deeper than anyone else. Of course in those areas the small family farms, and the often dirt poor towns and people living in the areas often get all their water from their wells. Which the new almond growers have dried out.

Anyways those almond, and rice, growers do not have to worry about flooding. It's that the allotments might be cut to nothing.

[jbird4049]

Live Feed coverage of the dam and evac if you want to see it

Great. Five years of damm near nothing of rain, with even Redwoods starting to die, we get this. It's 'like Mother Nature decided to make it up to us by giving it all at once.

If the dam actually fails, politics are going to be very... interesting. Water tends to bring out the knives what with the dry, richer, more populous, more powerful Southern California against the wet, poorer, less populous, and less powerful Northern California. Plus the very wealthy, very connected, very powerful agricultural industry against the rest of the entire state, which often loses. Adding such thing like the fishing industry which depends on some rivers for the salmon.

Red Staters, if you want to see power politics at it's clearest, finest, most ruthless form study the Western states water wars, especially in California. As a political science student, I find it fascinating, even fun. As a Californian, it can be very uncomfortable. You realize that much of politics is nonsense. Something like water is real. All your food depends on it. Where you can live depends on it. My state's wealth depends on it.

Oh well, at least I can take guilt free showers this year.

[jbird4049]

Another issue, when and if that dam fails, is that prices on food is going up because that water is also important to the growers of Central California.

A lot of stuff would go up. I've been told the Feather River supplies 75% of the water to SoCal. A Golden Stater can correct me if I'm wrong. If that dam fails it will be ugly.

I understand this is the first time the water gotten deep enough to use the emergency spillway. Sounds like the water is still topping over the dam right now.

I am no expert. However that seems too high. Maybe the source was saying 75% of the agriculture's water? LA gets its water from the Owens Valley. San Francisco, and through them much of the Bay Area gets it from Hetch Hetchy Reservoir. The Russian for much of the North Bay. Much of the coastal areas like Marin depends on reservoirs.

I'd be worried about the costs of veggies this Summer, not whether the cities have drinking water.


Edit: of course, after all that, I realize that I didn't notice the SoCal qualification.

[C-Mag]

Sounds like things are getting close to breaking loose.
Some good stuff on twitter
https://twitter.com/search?q=oroville+d ... r%5Esearch

[Okeefenokee]

We have got the highest GDP by quite a bit.

Enjoy making up the difference.

When your economy collapses, and ours thrives because we aren't dragging your unproductive asses along with us, maybe we will cut you some trade deals... if you are nice.

You don't have any fucking water.