The Nuclear Option

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Re: The Nuclear Option

Post by K@th » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:36 pm

PartyOf5 wrote:
adwinistrator wrote: I can't see both parties coming to a compromise and modifying rules again, especially after the Garland block by Republicans. We'll have to see if the Republicans want to nuke the SCOTUS filibuster, giving it up for their own future use as well, just to not deal with it now.
The only future any of them are concerned about is their next re-election. That's as far as they can see.
If Trump keeps his promise to get us term limits for Congress Creatures, he'll be a hero. (But, he really needs most of Congress to go along, and they won't be doing that.)
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Re: The Nuclear Option

Post by de officiis » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:55 pm

PartyOf5 wrote:There used to be at least some honor among these thieves. It has now become win at all costs. No move is considered out of bounds as long as they can get away with it. The Dems lit this fuse and used it to throw bombs when they had control. Now they are screeching "no fair" as the GOP threatens to use the same weapon against them.
As American citizens are divided, so will be their representatives. If we want a functional Congress, then each of us needs to work to resolve our political differences with one another. Common ground can be found but a will to find it must exist.
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Re: The Nuclear Option

Post by jbird4049 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:59 pm

What is called the filibuster today is not the real filibuster. Until around 40 years ago, you had to actually stand and talk, and keep talking until you couldn't. The Senator could relinquish his spot to a new filibusterer, and I think? that restroom breaks were allowed. But unless someone was speaking there wasn't a filibuster. When a group didn't like a bill they would filibuster as an group, and replace each exhausted speaker. Also there were sleeping cotts put out near the chamber because nobody was leaving until it was over. It could gone on for days. :-)
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Re: The Nuclear Option

Post by jbird4049 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:02 pm

de officiis wrote:
PartyOf5 wrote:There used to be at least some honor among these thieves. It has now become win at all costs. No move is considered out of bounds as long as they can get away with it. The Dems lit this fuse and used it to throw bombs when they had control. Now they are screeching "no fair" as the GOP threatens to use the same weapon against them.
As American citizens are divided, so will be their representatives. If we want a functional Congress, then each of us needs to work to resolve our political differences with one another. Common ground can be found but a will to find it must exist.
Don't forget that some actively tries to create the differences, to prevent such common ground.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

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Re: The Nuclear Option

Post by LVH2 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:03 pm

I've heard stories of people reading encyclopedia's and stuff.

But, if you can pass the baton, why not have reasonable shifts?

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Re: The Nuclear Option

Post by jbird4049 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:16 pm

LVH2 wrote:I've heard stories of people reading encyclopedia's and stuff.

But, if you can pass the baton, why not have reasonable shifts?
I don't know. That's a great question.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.