MHF Democrat Primary Poll

[StCapps]

Hard to be the frontrunner when if you lose Iowa you can't win the nomination, that is the position Bernie is in right now. Bernie needs to win the first three primaries to become the frontrunner, and if he loses one of them, he can't win the nomination. If Bernie wins the nomination, it will be because he won Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada and rode that momentum to victory, that's his only viable path to the nomination.

If Biden wins Iowa, then this is over as soon as it starts, because Biden is going to win Nevada and South Carolina if he wins in Iowa, and carry that momentum into Super Tuesday which is already favorable ground for Biden, let alone a Biden with momentum.

This is a two horse race between Biden and Sanders, writing either of them off at this point, would be jumping the gun. We'll probably know who the nominee is after Super Tuesday, but the earliest we can know is tonight in Iowa if Biden wins, Biden has the potential to land a knockout blow right off the hop, where as Sanders needs Iowa desperately to maintain any real viability.

[Speaker to Animals]

He's projected across the board to win Iowa, but okay.

[StCapps]

He's projected across the board to win Iowa, but okay.

Iowa is notoriously hard to poll, that frontrunner by polling often loses, ask Trump. It's a slight Bernie lean, it's by no means a lock, Iowa is weird like that, lots of late deciders who make seemingly random decisions. Bernie could win by big margin, then again so could Biden, and there is plenty of more likely middle ground.

[Speaker to Animals]

Man, you really are committed to delusion.

Biden has the southern black vote. That's not going to win the nomination. Bernie could easily take California this time too.

[StCapps]

Man, you really are committed to delusion.

Biden has the southern black vote. That's not going to win the nomination. Bernie could easily take California this time too.

Bernie can take California if he wins Nevada, if he loses Nevada, he ain't gonna win California. If he loses Iowa he ain't gonna win Nevada.

The potential of a Biden nomination is not a delusion, you'd have to be deluded to write him off at this point, that is deeply wishful thinking.

Both Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum surged late in Iowa and won it despite the polling going into it. Iowa is fucking weird, no candidate is a lock to win it considering the polling.

[PartyOf5]

There is no living generation more fucked over than the millennials. They might be insufferable half the time, but you ignore their legitimate complaints at your political peril.

Expecting to be hired for a job you are not qualified for is not a legitimate complaint.

Student loans are a serious issue when the fundamental contract was violated by offshoring and the importation of indentured servants in the visa programs (as well as nonstop immigration, legal and illegal). Trump has a good angle on that problem with immigration, but Bernie is offering them an immediate solution. The more you say "fuck millennials", the more they say "fuck you too".. and they have more voters, so I am not sure exactly how you think this is going to end, but lol.

I'm not going to end it by conceding to Socialism to appease them. Do you literally think I'm going up to Millenials and saying F-you, I'm voting for Trump and then they reply back with "well if that's the case, then I'm voting for Bernie"?

And there's no working to the top for them. They are mostly completely fucked, dude. Boomers are holding out in positions of power until they die. Gen X is in the management positions for the time being. Meanwhile, all costs of living are dramatically up. Rent is sky-high. Housing prices are still exploding. How does the average millennial see this as a decent deal by any metric at all? Even a millennial with a good computer science degree, competing for good software engineering jobs at tech giants, sees his salary drastically limited by corporate ruling class. Somehow, if we want to avoid Bernie's socialism, we have to honestly address this shit. Because it's going to end in socialism if we keep this up.

All of that is bullshit. I could try and unpack all of it point by point, but I don't have time for that right now. To say they have no way to get ahead is total bullshit. I see Millenials at my workplace getting promoted all the time. all this talk of rent and housing being to expensive is not exclusive to Millenials, if it's even true. Most Millenials don't want to buy a home, and it has nothing to do with it being too expensive. They also aren't having kids, which actually helps their financial situation.

Are we sure the STA that returned is same one that went AWOL for a while?

[PartyOf5]

Just like the GOP, the will of the people is irrelevant, against the will of the elites.

Explain Trump.

[StCapps]

Can you even name a Democrat in your lifetime who won the nomination and didn't have the black southern vote? I can't.

Fun facts:
- Sanders would be only the second democrat to do so since Dukakis in 1988, if he is the eventual winner, and I wasn't even born during that primary.

- Those who lose the black southern vote are 1 for the last 11 Democrat nominations, and 2 for the last 12, if you go back to George McGovern in 1972.

- Both Democrat candidates who won the party nomination without the black southern vote both went on to lose the Presidential election by a sizable margin and are notoriously unelectable on the national stage.

The Black Southern vote is key. Only two outliers going back to 1972, is not much for Sanders to hang his hat on. Doing well in the South and with Blacks is usually a deadly combination in Democrat Primaries.

[Speaker to Animals]

Okay. Let's play the fisking game then..

There is no living generation more fucked over than the millennials. They might be insufferable half the time, but you ignore their legitimate complaints at your political peril.

Expecting to be hired for a job you are not qualified for is not a legitimate complaint.

Non-sequitur fallacy. Stick with what the person actually posted and argued.

Student loans are a serious issue when the fundamental contract was violated by offshoring and the importation of indentured servants in the visa programs (as well as nonstop immigration, legal and illegal). Trump has a good angle on that problem with immigration, but Bernie is offering them an immediate solution. The more you say "fuck millennials", the more they say "fuck you too".. and they have more voters, so I am not sure exactly how you think this is going to end, but lol.

I'm not going to end it by conceding to Socialism to appease them. Do you literally think I'm going up to Millenials and saying F-you, I'm voting for Trump and then they reply back with "well if that's the case, then I'm voting for Bernie"?

Point being (and apparently you missed it): if the entire right wing continues with this "fuck your problems, millennial" mantra, you sure as shit are going to get socialism. Complete lack of empathy for your fellow countrymen when they very clearly are getting unjustly fucked over is not a winning strategy. It's actually borderline sociopathic.

And there's no working to the top for them. They are mostly completely fucked, dude. Boomers are holding out in positions of power until they die. Gen X is in the management positions for the time being. Meanwhile, all costs of living are dramatically up. Rent is sky-high. Housing prices are still exploding. How does the average millennial see this as a decent deal by any metric at all? Even a millennial with a good computer science degree, competing for good software engineering jobs at tech giants, sees his salary drastically limited by corporate ruling class. Somehow, if we want to avoid Bernie's socialism, we have to honestly address this shit. Because it's going to end in socialism if we keep this up.

All of that is bullshit. I could try and unpack all of it point by point, but I don't have time for that right now. To say they have no way to get ahead is total bullshit. I see Millenials at my workplace getting promoted all the time. all this talk of rent and housing being to expensive is not exclusive to Millenials, if it's even true. Most Millenials don't want to buy a home, and it has nothing to do with it being too expensive. They also aren't having kids, which actually helps their financial situation.

Are we sure the STA that returned is same one that went AWOL for a while?

For the majority of millennials, there really is no way to get ahead. I outlined a few pretty solid and indisputable reasons. Saying it's all bullshit and you don't feel like responding to it, while fisking the entire post you apparently aren't responding to.. that's not an argument.

[Speaker to Animals]

Man, you really are committed to delusion.

Biden has the southern black vote. That's not going to win the nomination. Bernie could easily take California this time too.

Bernie can take California if he wins Nevada, if he loses Nevada, he ain't gonna win California. If he loses Iowa he ain't gonna win Nevada.

The potential of a Biden nomination is not a delusion, you'd have to be deluded to write him off at this point, that is deeply wishful thinking.

Both Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum surged late in Iowa and won it despite the polling going into it. Iowa is fucking weird, no candidate is a lock to win it considering the polling.

Because Californians are going to look at Nevada and say, "well shit, Bernie lost Nevada, so I might as well vote for the guy who prostitutes himself out to banks and corporations. A real progressive voting for Biden may be like a vegan feasting on BBQ but, fuck it all, Bernie lost Reno."