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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:30 am

DrYouth wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:Well, as I say, they rule by paranoia, not just the Bolsheviks, the Czars before them, this is why I say the Moscovy Russians are as Western as apple pie and baseball, they're Slavic, but they're Holy Roman Slavs, under the Double Headed Eagle, the two heads originally representing Rome and Constantinople, the Russian intrigues are the closest thing we have to the Roman world now.

The Czarist empire may have extended into the East, but St. Petersburg is in the West.
The question is whether Russians will follow the modern western model of a sovereign accountable to the rule of law, return to the model of sovereign as deity...
The jury is still out... it could roll either way.
Investors are betting on property rights and stable markets... and for that rule of law is needed... to some degree anyways.
If the oligarch in chief gets too greedy... the goose will stop laying... but the other oligarchs will likely stop him from doing so...

If business continues to grow the middle class will become more empowered and the potential for increased accountability is there... that is the western secret sauce... but there are many hurdles to cross and the possibility of military coup and oligarch power grabs loom in the interim.
Who says that is the question, MSNBC?

Fascism is as Modern and Western as apple pie and baseball, and it can be extremely profitable too.

Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, all Modern and Western last time I checked.

Franco ruled until 1975, I don't recall the sky falling.
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Re: Russian trolls

Post by DrYouth » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:49 am

Smitty-48 wrote:Who says that is the question, MSNBC?

Fascism is as Modern and Western as apple pie and baseball, and it can be extremely profitable too.

Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, all Modern and Western last time I checked.
Still the question then, isn't it?

Which version of the West will win out?

The Axis or the Allies?

I have a feeling I know who Smitty might be rooting for...
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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:51 am

DrYouth wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:Who says that is the question, MSNBC?

Fascism is as Modern and Western as apple pie and baseball, and it can be extremely profitable too.

Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, all Modern and Western last time I checked.
Still the question then, isn't it?

Which version of the West will win out?

The Axis or the Allies?

I have a feeling I know who Smitty might be rooting for...

Fascism is like an immune response from a collective people against Marxism. Marxism is not a different version of the "West" either. It's like a terminal cancer to the West. It's the ideological manifestation of social decay and anti-civilizational tendencies latent in a polity.

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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:52 am

If we get fascism again, it's going to happen because we didni't stamp out this Marxism in time. That's the simple truth of the matter. We either defeat them now or the fascists a generation from now are going to gas them anyway.

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Re: Russian trolls

Post by DrYouth » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:53 am

Smitty-48 wrote:Franco ruled until 1975, I don't recall the sky falling.
I visited Spain under Franco as a little 'un...

The Guardia Civil had some badass uniforms.
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Check those hats out.
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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:53 am

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Smitty-48 wrote:Who says that is the question, MSNBC?

Fascism is as Modern and Western as apple pie and baseball, and it can be extremely profitable too.

Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, all Modern and Western last time I checked.
Still the question then, isn't it?

Which version of the West will win out?

The Axis or the Allies?

I have a feeling I know who Smitty might be rooting for...
No, that's nonsense too, again, Franco and the Falange ruled Spain until 1975, and at no time did they come into conflict with the West, they were America's stalwart allies, the Americans had a massive military base in Spain, and everybody did business with them, so clearly, the two models can live in harmony after all, MSNBC.

It's not actually a binary, Huffpo.
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Re: Russian trolls

Post by DrYouth » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:56 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:If we get fascism again, it's going to happen because we didni't stamp out this Marxism in time. That's the simple truth of the matter. We either defeat them now or the fascists a generation from now are going to gas them anyway.
Bah...

The Fascists are a reaction to the Marxists and the Marxists are a reaction to the Fascists...

Works both ways..

Doesn't matter... Chicken-Egg-Chicken-Egg...

We need a buffalo wing omelette... Ying-Yang... defuse the polarization...FTW...

But that's unheard of in True War... can't win a war thinking like that... but you might win the peace...

edit: lol... that's kind of what you just said... so I guess we agree... 8-)
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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:00 am

The conflict with Russia is not ideological, nobody in the West actually cares if Putin runs Russia, it's not about Putin, Putin is not the threat, again, the threat is the zombie Soviet war machine, and its 8,000 odd thermonuclear warheads.
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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:00 am

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Speaker to Animals wrote:If we get fascism again, it's going to happen because we didni't stamp out this Marxism in time. That's the simple truth of the matter. We either defeat them now or the fascists a generation from now are going to gas them anyway.
Bah...

The Fascists are a reaction to the Marxists and the Marxists are a reaction to the Fascists...

Works both ways..

Doesn't matter... Chicken-Egg-Chicken-Egg...

We need a buffalo wing omelette... Ying-Yang... defuse the polarization...FTW...

But that's unheard of in True War... can't win a war thinking like that... but you might win the peace...

edit: lol... that's kind of what you just said... so I guess we agree... 8-)

Except that's factually incorrect. Every time. Fascism was a response to Marxism. The rise of Franco in Spain was a response to communist republicans literally genociding Catholics and others. Catholics just joined the fascists because, fuck it, if you are going to murder me for going to mass, I have absolutely no qualms throwing you out of a helicopter. I would be happy to do it, actually.

Same thing happened in Portugal. Same thing happened in Chile. Even Germany and Italy, where all this originated, was a response to the creeping Marxism that made those nations a fucking cesspool.

There was no fascism in any of those countries before Marxists started shitting them up and trying to intimidate or kill their opposition. Fascism emerged as a kind of socio immune response to eradicate the cancerous ideology from society.

It's probably going to happen again too.

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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:06 am

Ukraine has gone fascist, Poland is going fascist, nobody is concerned, why? Like Franco; our fascists.

Not to mention they don't have thermonuclear warheads on hair trigger alert pointed at Washington, Franco proved; fascist as you wanna be, just don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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