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[nmoore63]

Where do you see a contradiction, Nick?

Narrowing it down to one, for simplicity.

Women already naturally have to grapple with narcissism, just as men have to grapple with aggression,

You are saying that aggression is naturally masculine and that narcisssism is naturally feminine.

And now you are saying that aggression is not naturally masculine.

Regardless, aggression is a traditionally masculine trait. That's not my opinion.

Masculine norms,"avoidance of femininity; restricted emotions; sex disconnected from intimacy; pursuit of achievement and status; self-reliance; strength and aggression, and homophobia".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculinity

Your assertion, however, that competency is uniquely masculine is silly.
Masculine and feminine traits are different, but the idea that there is no skill in feminine traits is......

[JohnDonne]

Competence is too broad of a concept to say that it is specifically the trait of men or women, it's would have to be the competence in the sub-traits that are specific to one sex or the other.

[nmoore63]

Competence is too broad of a concept to say that it is specifically the trait of men or women, it's would have to be the competence in the sub-traits that are specific to one sex or the other.

Yes, that is my point.

The most feminine people I can think of, in life or in history, were highly competent at it.

[JohnDonne]

Definitely.

Marilyn Monroe was highly competent at playing the silly blonde, when she was actually quite intelligent.

I'd consider her an example of the ecstatic quality, the muse nature.

[Speaker to Animals]

Competence is too broad of a concept to say that it is specifically the trait of men or women, it's would have to be the competence in the sub-traits that are specific to one sex or the other.

Yes, that is my point.

The most feminine people I can think of, in life or in history, were highly competent at it.

You act as though it's mutually exclusive. Masculinity, at the base level, relates to your competence at skills that apply directly to the survival of the group: fighting, survival, hunting, mainly. As our society evolves, so do the various skills and areas that masculinity might manifest.

You have stated you think aggression is masculinity. That's silly. I can post endless examples of aggressive men you would not consider particularly masculine.

You tried to imply I was in contradiction because I before stated that men have trouble with their aggression (fact), but that's not somehow in conflict with the assertion that our masculinity derives from our competency. What you apparently believe is a contradiction really only seems to belie your underlying animosity towards masculinity as inherently a bad thing.

You can use a different word for the same thing. I think Jack Donovan uses the word mastery for the same concept (and adds four more).

Personally, I think it's just one thing.

[nmoore63]

You act as though it's mutually exclusive. Masculinity, at the base level, relates to your competence at skills that apply directly to the survival of the group: fighting, survival, hunting, mainly. As our society evolves, so do the various skills and areas that masculinity might manifest.

Sure, the idea that feminine child rearing wasn't based on similar concept of competency is not true.

You have stated you think aggression is masculinity. That's silly. I can post endless examples of aggressive men you would not consider particularly masculine.

I'm sorry you disagree with the definition of masculinity.

You tried to imply I was in contradiction because I before stated that men have trouble with their aggression (fact), but that's not somehow in conflict with the assertion that our masculinity derives from our competency.

It comes from the contradiction that you some how incorrectly believe that aggression isn't masculine.

What you apparently believe is a contradiction really only seems to belie your underlying animosity towards masculinity as inherently a bad thing.

Nope. Masculinity is absolutely a requirement of healthy society.

[Speaker to Animals]

You act as though it's mutually exclusive. Masculinity, at the base level, relates to your competence at skills that apply directly to the survival of the group: fighting, survival, hunting, mainly. As our society evolves, so do the various skills and areas that masculinity might manifest.

Sure, the idea that feminine child rearing wasn't based on similar concept of competency is not true.

You have stated you think aggression is masculinity. That's silly. I can post endless examples of aggressive men you would not consider particularly masculine.

I'm sorry you disagree with the definition of masculinity.

You tried to imply I was in contradiction because I before stated that men have trouble with their aggression (fact), but that's not somehow in conflict with the assertion that our masculinity derives from our competency.

It comes from the contradiction that you some how incorrectly believe that aggression isn't masculine.

What you apparently believe is a contradiction really only seems to belie your underlying animosity towards masculinity as inherently a bad thing.

Nope. Masculinity is absolutely a requirement of healthy society.

You are not making any arguments here, and you are just going back to being passive-aggressive again.

The debate is about how to define masculinity, and you apparently are losing. It's not about whether I accept your half-assed definition of it as "aggression". That's ridiculous. I already showed you a total fruitcake behaving aggressively and you completely ignored the question of whether that thing was "masculine", even though it is according to what you posted before.

I don't believe in any contradictions. You failed to point any out. You posted a comment I made months ago about men struggling with aggression as one of our negative traits and just implied that is in contradiction with my assertion that masculinity derives from our competency. It obviously does not contradict what I posted here. I asked you to explain yourself and you just repeated your baseless assertion as if that's sufficient. It's not.

You're lack of competency in debate is a little disheartening..

I guess we will just descend to the petty insults now instead. It's pretty much par for course around here when people lose.

[nmoore63]

Is competency a uniquely masculine trait?

Does competency have nothing to do with feminine traits?

[nmoore63]

I already showed you a total fruitcake behaving aggressively and you completely ignored the question of whether that thing was "masculine"

The dude (?) was attempting to express masculinity, he(?) simply has no idea how. Likely because the society around him (?) no longer nurtures its healthy growth.

[nmoore63]

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The debate is about how to define masculinity,

I have already provided hyperlinks that support "aggression" as being part of the definition of "masculinity."

What more do you want?