American's living Paycheck to Paycheck

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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:03 am

Penner wrote:... boo-hoo-hoo, sob-sob-sob, there ought to be a law...
I don't see any particular utility in a nanny state to solve the ills of American society by force, not only does it not work, and in fact backfires, but it's eponentially more expensive and controlling than the banks.

That's the thing about you Lefties and your dogma of centrally planned wage and price controls to a post scarcity utopia; out of the frying pan, into the fire.

The plantation owners can no longer hold people in chains, information on how to manage your money is widely disseminated, the horse will either drink the water or it wont, Liz Sanders & Co really won't have any significant effects on it, and more likley their agenda will simply be overthrown by the judiciary for being the overreach that it is in any case.
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Re: American's living Paycheck to Paycheck

Post by Okeefenokee » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:15 am

Penner wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
Penner wrote:There are several factors why Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and it has to do with two main things.

1) Wage stagnation

2) Fees and credit debt.
Idiocy.

1. Learn to count.

2. Count nickels and dimes.

3. No more living paycheck to paycheck.
Bank fees will suck your money from any account- even the hidden fees and also things like Pay-Day loans are a scam on society and should end. Most Americans live on credit which is paid by interest. Most money that Americans make goes towards bills like credit payment, fee payment, etc.... Americans today are also using check cashing places in replace of banks BECAUSE of the bank's fees/hidden fees.

Not to mention the recent recession that saw millions of people got layoff and also if you get sick and/or a love one gets sick (really sick) then you are pretty much screwed in this country.
More nanny state nonsense. If only the nanny state would tell people what they can and can't do. If only the banks would lend money for free. If only people could agree to take money from lenders and not need to read the terms.
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Re: American's living Paycheck to Paycheck

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:20 am

Really has nothing to do with being impoverished, there are millions of wealthy people in America who are overextended to their creditors, if you have more money you spend more money, if you have more credit you take more credit, bankruptcy is a disease of the poor and rich alike.

Being asset rich doesn't make you immune, if you can't pay the vig on those mansions and private jets, you'll be just as fucked as anybody else.
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Re: American's living Paycheck to Paycheck

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:30 am

Those payday places are life-savers for people living on the edge. All the bullshit criticism you read about them typically was began by banks.

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Re: American's living Paycheck to Paycheck

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:33 am

Only 5.5% of Americans use a payday loan in any given year, so the idea that it is a massive problem which is warping the economy strikes me as being hysteria. Most people don't use low fee bank accounts? Yes they do. Most people live paycheck to paycheck because of bank fees? Nonsense.

It's a free country, and in order to have a free country, there has to be room for people to make their own choices, even if they are bad ones, who knew?
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Re: American's living Paycheck to Paycheck

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:45 am

It's not even a problem. It's cheaper if you are working poor. The banks will fuck you over sideways.

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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:51 am

Well I'm certainly as wary of bankers as the next guy, but even as an uneducated high school drop out, I haven't found it to be particularly daunting to analyze the complexity to draw concise and relevant conclusions in order to exploit banking to my advantage, you can shop around and haggle for your supper, credit is actually a rather broad and deep market with a wide selection of products and services to fit almost every need.
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Re: American's living Paycheck to Paycheck

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:55 am

Smitty-48 wrote:Well I'm certainly as wary of bankers as the next guy, but even as an uneducated high school drop out, I haven't found it to be particulalrly daunting to analyze the complexity to draw concise and relevant conclusions in order to exploit banking to my advantage, you can shop around and haggle for your supper, credit is actually a rather broad and deep market with a wide selection of products and services to fit almost every need.

It's not that simple. Contractors, for example, have to pay their workers at the end of the week or the workers walk. They get paid, however, in a such a way that they don't have much time between payment and when their workers are to receive their pay. Cashing a check at a bank involves a period of time to clear a check due to the banking system that the contractor cannot afford. So he goes to the check cashing place, pays an upfront fee, and he converts his check to cash so that he can pay his workers right away.

Bank fees also are often hidden and arbitrarily applied. Banks like to fuck people over with the "overdraft protection" scam that people can't even opt out of in some cases. Then, if some transaction does exceed the amount, the bank will go back and reoorder all the transactions to maximize fees, even though it may have only been one transaction that went over the limit. A pre-paid debit card from a cash checking place does not do this. If a transaction is over the limit, it's denied.

These payday lenders and check cashers exist precisely because banks fail to serve the public. If you want to go after somebody, go after the bankers. Those are the real financial hoodlums.

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Re: American's living Paycheck to Paycheck

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:59 am

Well, I live in a free country and I am an autonomous individual, so quite frankly, those people aren't my problem, I do my banking, they can do theirs, and while I use several banks, the one I use for personal banking I have no complaints about whatsoever, they are in fact amongst the nicest friendliest most helpful and studiest bunch of employees I've ever encountered.

You overdraft your account, run up your credit card and/or take a payday loan? Well more power to you, but I don't see what that has to do with me, moreover, since it is beyond my control, I don't waste any time concerning myself with it.
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Re: American's living Paycheck to Paycheck

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:06 pm

I wonder if you have regulations against the shit that goes on in America now. Starting in the late 1990s, banks started really fucking people over. There was a while there that I could find only one bank that would let me deposit money in a checking and savings account without having to pay them for it. But even those guys had all these strange fees and penalties that would get deducted from my balance over time.

For the poor, that's really intolerable. They live on the edge and cannot afford a a few dollars here and there skimmed from their money. That could make the difference for them in paying their bills and being able to feed their kids.

The payday/check-cashing businesses really took off in direct proportion to all the shady practices adopted by banks.

I never got one of those payday loans, but I do know generally how they work (and weirdly enough, you still need a bank account to get them, so the bankers are complaining more about the loss of usury business). You can definitely get burned if you don't pay it back the following month, but most people realize this. It's also true that I know A LOT of people now tits-deep in credit card debt they can't escape. I am not sure why that gets a free pass and payday lenders get slammed instead.

I don't choose to use banks if I can help it these days. Not worth it and I don't care for their shady practices. If I do need some kind of banking service like that, I will go to a check-cashing spot. At least all the terms and fees are right there in plain English on the sign. There's no surprise, where the fuck did my money go moment with them.