Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[SuburbanFarmer]

Enlighten us? Source?

Well, look it up, there's plenty of examples of capitulation over anihilation, down through the ages, from Cornwallis surrendering in the face of the Contintental Army's guns at Yorktown, to the Confederates ceding Richmond to the Yankees, to the South Vietnamese surrendering to the North Vietnamese, and in the case that ssu invoked, the Georgians capitulating to the Russian's terms, rather than waiting until they had reduced Tbilisi to rubble.

Frought with disorganization as the Russian response was in the South Ossetia War, the Russians none the less won the war, by forcing Tbilisi's capitulation, in the face of overwhelming Russian firepower.

That wasn't the question though. I'm asking specifically about remote bombardment. Rockets/cannon/artillery upon a city. I don't think it's ever happened. Siege warfare, sure, watching kids starve in front of citizens will do it. But bombardment alone? I think not..

[Smitty-48]

Enlighten us? Source?

Well, look it up, there's plenty of examples of capitulation over anihilation, down through the ages, from Cornwallis surrendering in the face of the Contintental Army's guns at Yorktown, to the Confederates ceding Richmond to the Yankees, to the South Vietnamese surrendering to the North Vietnamese, and in the case that ssu invoked, the Georgians capitulating to the Russian's terms, rather than waiting until they had reduced Tbilisi to rubble.

Frought with disorganization as the Russian response was in the South Ossetia War, the Russians none the less won the war, by forcing Tbilisi's capitulation, in the face of overwhelming Russian firepower.

That wasn't the question though. I'm asking specifically about remote bombardment. Rockets/cannon/artillery upon a city. I don't think it's ever happened. Siege warfare, sure, watching kids starve in front of citizens will do it. But bombardment alone? I think not..

Well, again, it's happened right in the United States, the Confederates surrendered at the Siege of Vicksburg, 4 July 1863, which was the turning point in the American Civil War.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Well, look it up, there's plenty of examples of capitulation over anihilation, down through the ages, from Cornwallis surrendering in the face of the Contintental Army's guns at Yorktown, to the Confederates ceding Richmond to the Yankees, to the South Vietnamese surrendering to the North Vietnamese, and in the case that ssu invoked, the Georgians capitulating to the Russian's terms, rather than waiting until they had reduced Tbilisi to rubble.

Frought with disorganization as the Russian response was in the South Ossetia War, the Russians none the less won the war, by forcing Tbilisi's capitulation, in the face of overwhelming Russian firepower.

That wasn't the question though. I'm asking specifically about remote bombardment. Rockets/cannon/artillery upon a city. I don't think it's ever happened. Siege warfare, sure, watching kids starve in front of citizens will do it. But bombardment alone? I think not..

Well, again, it's happened right in the United States, the Confederates surrendered at the Siege of Vicksburg, 4 July 1863, which was the turning point in the American Civil War.

That took all of 3 seconds to refute..

In May and June of 1863, Maj. Gen. Ulysses S. Grant's armies converged on Vicksburg, investing the city and entrapping a Confederate army under Lt. Gen. John Pemberton. On July 4, Vicksburg surrendered after prolonged siege operations. This was the culmination of one of the most brilliant military campaigns of the war.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... TIpjZO5f-g

[Smitty-48]

They only held out for forty days, and the net result was simply 32,000 Confederates killed, and Vicksburg was reduced to rubble, before the Yankees rolled on to the next objective without breaking a sweat, this is how Grant became the Boss.

May 18 to July 4, is not a "prolonged siege", and surrendering after pointlessly holding out for a month, destroying Vicksburg in the process, is hardly "brilliant".

They burned the village to save the village and they didn't even end up saving the village, that's the story of the Confederacy writ large.

[SuburbanFarmer]

They only held out for forty days, and the net result was simply 32,000 Confederates killed, and Vicksburg was reduced to rubble, before the Yankees rolled on to the next objective without breaking a sweat, this is how Grant became the Boss.

May 18 to July 4, is not a "prolonged siege", and surrendering after pointlessly holding out for a month, destroying Vicksburg in the process, is hardly "brilliant".

I believe you'll find that, upon reading more closely, the 'brilliant campaign' referred to is that of the US Army and Gen. Grant...

Also, holding tens of thousands of soldiers in a besieged city for 40 days would produce starvation with near certainty. I'm not sure how long you think they can eat each other, but 40 days seems a pretty good long time, to me....

[Speaker to Animals]

I thought prolonged siege used to mean you weren't going home for the winter season, and instead were camped outside the city walls until spring.

[Smitty-48]

They only held out for forty days, and the net result was simply 32,000 Confederates killed, and Vicksburg was reduced to rubble, before the Yankees rolled on to the next objective without breaking a sweat, this is how Grant became the Boss.

May 18 to July 4, is not a "prolonged siege", and surrendering after pointlessly holding out for a month, destroying Vicksburg in the process, is hardly "brilliant".

I believe you'll find that, upon reading more closely, the 'brilliant campaign' referred to is that of the US Army and Gen. Grant...

Who imposed the siege and then brought it to a close by forcing an early capitulation therein, so you're making my point for me, they trapped the Confederates in a siege, then they hung back and pounded on them with superior firepower, then the Confederates capitulated in the face of it, forty days too late, attempting to repel a siege at Vicksburg was a pointless and costly exercise, where the besieging party forced a capitulation through superior firepower in short order, providing you with an example of how burn the village to save the village, by attempting to hold out in the face of a forgone conclusion, is a serious mistake.

[Smitty-48]

I thought prolonged siege used to mean you weren't going home for the winter season, and instead were camped outside the city walls until spring.

A prolonged siege; is Leningrad, 8 September 1941 to 27 January 1944.

Tho, one of the most miserable events in human history, where people were eating the dead and/or killing themselves rather than having to carry on with it, so, enjoy.

[Speaker to Animals]

I thought prolonged siege used to mean you weren't going home for the winter season, and instead were camped outside the city walls until spring.

A prolonged siege; is Leningrad, 8 September 1941 to 27 January 1944.

That was Hell on Earth, though.

[Smitty-48]

I thought prolonged siege used to mean you weren't going home for the winter season, and instead were camped outside the city walls until spring.

A prolonged siege; is Leningrad, 8 September 1941 to 27 January 1944.

That was Hell on Earth, though.

Well I certainly would have ceded Leningrad and ordered them to fall back to the Urals, but of course, I'm not Stalin.