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Montegriffo
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by Montegriffo » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:20 pm
Kazmyr wrote:Rob Schnieder 'Fucks Up' Paella, Single-Handedly Dooms Spanish Food Culture
Spaniards were outraged. Some replied with angry, insulting tweets. Many sent pictures of their own paellas as inspiration. Others created fake, outrageous variations on the classic hot dog. A Spanish chef kindly took it upon himself to show the American actor what paella is and what it isn’t. For some hours, this became a trending topic in some regions in Spain. Schneider finally apologized and vowed to try to make it again, with all the new paella knowledge forced on to him through social media.
Krishnendu Ray, a New York University professor of food studies, argues in “The Ethnic Restaurateur” that white chefs have more freedom to play with other people’s food than chefs of color do, which creates an inherent inequality in the field. To that, I would add that in a world where most people turn to the Internet to find recipes — and English is the de facto lingua franca of the online world — English-speaking chefs not only have more freedom to play around, but they also have the power to ultimately transform traditional dishes from other countries, without so much as an acknowledgement.
So please, please, Mr. Schneider, at the very least — use a paella pan next time.
Why doesn't the UN's Council for Real, Accurate Paella step in and end this atrocity?!
This is not the first time the Spanish have been outraged by paella recipes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 46081.html
Spaniards are outraged with Jamie Oliver over his decision to re-vamp a paella recipe by adding chorizo and chicken to the mix.
Oliver shared a recipe to his paella on Tuesday evening on Twitter and saw his post attract much more attention than he was anticipating.The rich dish, which hails from the Valencia region, traditionally includes meat, fish, shellfish and vegetables - but not chorizo, and the inclusion of the Spanish sausage saw Oliver bearing the brunt of much outrage.
@jamieoliver Remove the chorizo. We don't negotiate with terrorists. First warning.
— Llimona (@llim0na) October 4, 2016
People were quick to suggest the dish is no longer worthy of the name paella and instead should be called “rice with stuff”.
Others suggested that since Oliver made some tweaks on a Spanish traditional dish, they would do the same with British recipes.
.@jamieoliver Good. Now let me tell you about my version of fish&chips. It combines beef and ravioli. #ICanPlayThatGameToo
— Phobophille (@phobophille) October 4, 2016
@pedroampudia @jamieoliver My version of fish and chips combines aubergines with duck.
— Antonio Villarreal (@bajoelbillete) October 4, 2016
Oliver is not the only British chef who has received a backlash over their take on the dish. Gordon Ramsay was blasted over his suggestion to add a few chilli peppers to the dish while Marco Pierre White was scorned for adding “more than generous helping of white wine […] and enough paprika to stop a moving train” in an article by Spanish newspaper El Pais earlier this year.
Passionate people the Spanish. I wonder what they would say about my coconut, pineapple and blood pudding version.....
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by BjornP » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:31 pm
I just love how Spanish people are presented in the Salon piece as this poor, downtrodden minority race that it's "inappropriate" for "white people" (apparantly Spanish people are Mexicans or something?) to mock... I guess less than 500 years after conquering one and a half continent is enough time to be treated as a disenfranchised minority, powerless compared to the almighty whitey. Poor Spaniards. No one remembers their empire, apparantly.
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by Montegriffo » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:38 pm
You would love my Danish blue open sandwich, it is a piece of Stilton between two slices of white bread....
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by TheReal_ND » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:42 pm
BjornP wrote:I just love how Spanish people are presented in the Salon piece as this poor, downtrodden minority race that it's "inappropriate" for "white people" (apparantly Spanish people are Mexicans or something?) to mock... I guess less than 500 years after conquering one and a half continent is enough time to be treated as a disenfranchised minority, powerless compared to the almighty whitey. Poor Spaniards. No one remembers their empire, apparantly.
They made it about race? You must have read the whole article. I didn't see anything above about race or ethnicity.
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by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:49 pm
Spanish are not even one people. It's like four or five nations of people with their own languages and everything.
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by BjornP » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:06 pm
Montegriffo wrote:You would love my Danish blue open sandwich, it is a piece of Stilton between two slices of white bread....
I got that part. That's legitimately ridiculous. Feeling your national pride
insulted by some clueless foreigner clueslessly foreigning about foreign cultures, tho? Naaaaah.
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by Montegriffo » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:19 pm
BjornP wrote:Montegriffo wrote:You would love my Danish blue open sandwich, it is a piece of Stilton between two slices of white bread....
I got that part. That's legitimately ridiculous. Feeling your national pride
insulted by some clueless foreigner clueslessly foreigning about foreign cultures, tho? Naaaaah.
Actually I think the Spanish are right up to a point. The reason for naming a dish is so that a customer knows what they are getting. If you want to add chorizo to a rice dish that's fine but if you call it Paella that is misleading. For example a dish using minced lamb covered in potato and baked is a shepherds pie, if you make the same dish using minced beef it is a cottage pie. I see cottage pie called shepherds pie fairly regularly and I never fail to correct it.
Feeling your nation has been insulted is just ridiculous though but to be fair it was not the Spanish claiming that but some professor being outraged on their behalf.
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by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:42 pm
Montegriffo wrote:BjornP wrote:Montegriffo wrote:You would love my Danish blue open sandwich, it is a piece of Stilton between two slices of white bread....
I got that part. That's legitimately ridiculous. Feeling your national pride
insulted by some clueless foreigner clueslessly foreigning about foreign cultures, tho? Naaaaah.
Actually I think the Spanish are right up to a point. The reason for naming a dish is so that a customer knows what they are getting. If you want to add chorizo to a rice dish that's fine but if you call it Paella that is misleading. For example a dish using minced lamb covered in potato and baked is a shepherds pie, if you make the same dish using minced beef it is a cottage pie. I see cottage pie called shepherds pie fairly regularly and I never fail to correct it.
Feeling your nation has been insulted is just ridiculous though but to be fair it was not the Spanish claiming that but some professor being outraged on their behalf.
Cottage pie. Shepherd pie. Whatever. It's all delicious. If you want to used beef instead of lamb, no big deal.
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by Ex-California » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:44 pm
BjornP wrote:I just love how Spanish people are presented in the Salon piece as this poor, downtrodden minority race that it's "inappropriate" for "white people" (apparantly Spanish people are Mexicans or something?) to mock... I guess less than 500 years after conquering one and a half continent is enough time to be treated as a disenfranchised minority, powerless compared to the almighty whitey. Poor Spaniards. No one remembers their empire, apparantly.
They're Latinos now. The horrors of the Conquistadores and early colonial period are forgiven because they're not white.
FFS this shit is out of control
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by Montegriffo » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:51 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:Montegriffo wrote:BjornP wrote:
I got that part. That's legitimately ridiculous. Feeling your national pride insulted by some clueless foreigner clueslessly foreigning about foreign cultures, tho? Naaaaah.
Actually I think the Spanish are right up to a point. The reason for naming a dish is so that a customer knows what they are getting. If you want to add chorizo to a rice dish that's fine but if you call it Paella that is misleading. For example a dish using minced lamb covered in potato and baked is a shepherds pie, if you make the same dish using minced beef it is a cottage pie. I see cottage pie called shepherds pie fairly regularly and I never fail to correct it.
Feeling your nation has been insulted is just ridiculous though but to be fair it was not the Spanish claiming that but some professor being outraged on their behalf.
Cottage pie. Shepherd pie. Whatever. It's all delicious. If you want to used beef instead of lamb, no big deal.
No big deal so long as you give it the correct name, lamb is more expensive and IMO better tasting so if it's called shepherds pie but contains beef you have been swindled.
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