What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

[Xenophon]

Dude, again. I am all for ending this. Just absolutely not at a fast pace. The consequences are huge, if we do some kind of sweeping decree and end it all at once. That's my entire argument.

I do not employ illegals, I don't like exploitation, I'm not heartless. Just don't burn the house down to kill a few rats.

There is no sweeping declaration that would end illegal immigration immediately. Logistically, it's impossible. The best we can hope for is the gradual implementation of laws that make naturalization less complex, heighten our border security and the deportation of those with criminal records in order to protect our citizenry. Immigration reform is what is needed.

But don't go all hyperbolic panic monkey on us, Grumps. You sound like this guy:

Remember!--On the inviolability of the institution which is thus threatened and assailed, depends, not our prosperity alone, but every blessing under heaven, which we enjoy. Every thing Southern must necessarily perish with it. Houses, lands, stocks, monies at interest, and other species of property, must go down with it and share a common fate. Let those people be unchecked, and we shall have nor country, nor home, nor fire-side, nor civilization, nor social charities, nor life itself. We shall be blotted from the face of the earth. The beautiful and prolific South will exhibit nothing but scathed and blackened ruins, with a remnant of the African race wandering amidst them in all the misery of desolation and hopelessness. The interposition we deprecate will be worse than the plague, pestilence and famine; worse than all the horrors of war, if waged by a civil people.

[SuburbanFarmer]

No, but you need to explain hunching over to pick something that grows in a tree.

There are more than one or two types of harvesting.

Not for oranges, you said oranges.

Keep picking at that nit, smart guy.

[Cid]

Whatsmore, the EC is really the only reason illegals can affect the election.

What? That makes little sense. EC isolates fraud and any other shenanigans. As for the Census, states use differing data sets for apportionment. Some use all people, others only citizens, other citizens of voting age, and some other delineations. They just have to use the same data set throughout.

That's patently false.

Are undocumented residents (aliens) in the 50 states included in the apportionment population counts? back to top
Yes, all people (citizens and noncitizens) with a usual residence in the 50 states are to be included in the census and thus in the apportionment counts.

EC doesn't isolate fraud. If you didn't have the EC the effect on fraud would be 0. If you can explain how a group of people chosen by the party that won the state, who then can go vote however they want, isolates fraud then I would say you need to be writing for a major publication.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Dude, again. I am all for ending this. Just absolutely not at a fast pace. The consequences are huge, if we do some kind of sweeping decree and end it all at once. That's my entire argument.

I do not employ illegals, I don't like exploitation, I'm not heartless. Just don't burn the house down to kill a few rats.

There is no sweeping declaration that would end illegal immigration immediately. Logistically, it's impossible. The best we can hope for is the gradual implementation of laws that make naturalization less complex, heighten our border security and the deportation of those with criminal records in order to protect our citizenry. Immigration reform is what is needed.

Building a gigantic wall, deporting millions, and inspiring the public to harass and persecute the laborers is a pretty damned good start. Or is this just another thing that we're going to ignore Trump saying? I can never keep up with what portion of his campaign we should take seriously.

But don't go all hyperbolic panic monkey on us, Grumps. You sound like this guy:

Remember!--On the inviolability of the institution which is thus threatened and assailed, depends, not our prosperity alone, but every blessing under heaven, which we enjoy. Every thing Southern must necessarily perish with it. Houses, lands, stocks, monies at interest, and other species of property, must go down with it and share a common fate. Let those people be unchecked, and we shall have nor country, nor home, nor fire-side, nor civilization, nor social charities, nor life itself. We shall be blotted from the face of the earth. The beautiful and prolific South will exhibit nothing but scathed and blackened ruins, with a remnant of the African race wandering amidst them in all the misery of desolation and hopelessness. The interposition we deprecate will be worse than the plague, pestilence and famine; worse than all the horrors of war, if waged by a civil people.

He wasn't wrong. No matter how you feel about slavery, the sudden ending of it by force, and the subsequent destruction are still echoing through the land 200 years later. You don't get BLM and race riots if you find a way to wind it down slowly and integrate the disaffected.

[Xenophon]

Dude, again. I am all for ending this. Just absolutely not at a fast pace. The consequences are huge, if we do some kind of sweeping decree and end it all at once. That's my entire argument.

I do not employ illegals, I don't like exploitation, I'm not heartless. Just don't burn the house down to kill a few rats.

There is no sweeping declaration that would end illegal immigration immediately. Logistically, it's impossible. The best we can hope for is the gradual implementation of laws that make naturalization less complex, heighten our border security and the deportation of those with criminal records in order to protect our citizenry. Immigration reform is what is needed.

Building a gigantic wall, deporting millions, and inspiring the public to harass and persecute the laborers is a pretty damned good start. Or is this just another thing that we're going to ignore Trump saying? I can never keep up with what portion of his campaign we should take seriously.

But don't go all hyperbolic panic monkey on us, Grumps. You sound like this guy:

Remember!--On the inviolability of the institution which is thus threatened and assailed, depends, not our prosperity alone, but every blessing under heaven, which we enjoy. Every thing Southern must necessarily perish with it. Houses, lands, stocks, monies at interest, and other species of property, must go down with it and share a common fate. Let those people be unchecked, and we shall have nor country, nor home, nor fire-side, nor civilization, nor social charities, nor life itself. We shall be blotted from the face of the earth. The beautiful and prolific South will exhibit nothing but scathed and blackened ruins, with a remnant of the African race wandering amidst them in all the misery of desolation and hopelessness. The interposition we deprecate will be worse than the plague, pestilence and famine; worse than all the horrors of war, if waged by a civil people.

He wasn't wrong. No matter how you feel about slavery, the sudden ending of it by force, and the subsequent destruction are still echoing through the land 200 years later. You don't get BLM and race riots if you find a way to wind it down slowly and integrate the disaffected.

[The Conservative]

But don't go all hyperbolic panic monkey on us, Grumps. You sound like this guy:

Remember!--On the inviolability of the institution which is thus threatened and assailed, depends, not our prosperity alone, but every blessing under heaven, which we enjoy. Every thing Southern must necessarily perish with it. Houses, lands, stocks, monies at interest, and other species of property, must go down with it and share a common fate. Let those people be unchecked, and we shall have nor country, nor home, nor fire-side, nor civilization, nor social charities, nor life itself. We shall be blotted from the face of the earth. The beautiful and prolific South will exhibit nothing but scathed and blackened ruins, with a remnant of the African race wandering amidst them in all the misery of desolation and hopelessness. The interposition we deprecate will be worse than the plague, pestilence and famine; worse than all the horrors of war, if waged by a civil people.

He wasn't wrong. No matter how you feel about slavery, the sudden ending of it by force, and the subsequent destruction are still echoing through the land 200 years later. You don't get BLM and race riots if you find a way to wind it down slowly and integrate the disaffected.

I have to disagree here, even if we did go "slowly" we still would have people like Al Sharpton saying we aren't doing enough, fast enough. BLM would have existed in another fashion...

America is a full of whiney and overly-privilidged people thinking they can do anything, when in reality they can't. We are reaping what we have sewn for well over the last 60 years.

[Cid]

Define overly-privileged.

[skankhunt42]

But don't go all hyperbolic panic monkey on us, Grumps. You sound like this guy:

He wasn't wrong. No matter how you feel about slavery, the sudden ending of it by force, and the subsequent destruction are still echoing through the land 200 years later. You don't get BLM and race riots if you find a way to wind it down slowly and integrate the disaffected.

I have to disagree here, even if we did go "slowly" we still would have people like Al Sharpton saying we aren't doing enough, fast enough. BLM would have existed in another fashion...

America is a full of whiney and overly-privilidged people thinking they can do anything, when in reality they can't. We are reaping what we have sewn for well over the last 60 years.

Being a tad dramatic are we? Reaping what we have sewn for over the last 60 years? I'm not buying all of the doom and gloom, I would argue things are progressing for the better. We have a black President, we still run the free world. Each generation seems to have more empathy for the next, I work in a school that is "Urban", and you would be amazed how much more compassionate this generation of young people is than the last. Trump won yes, but that doesn't mean things are going to be "bad". The owners of this country though profit from the separation of us, so yea, there is that, but that doesn't mean this isn't the greatest fucking nation on earth.

[SuburbanFarmer]

He wasn't wrong. No matter how you feel about slavery, the sudden ending of it by force, and the subsequent destruction are still echoing through the land 200 years later. You don't get BLM and race riots if you find a way to wind it down slowly and integrate the disaffected.

I have to disagree here, even if we did go "slowly" we still would have people like Al Sharpton saying we aren't doing enough, fast enough. BLM would have existed in another fashion...

America is a full of whiney and overly-privilidged people thinking they can do anything, when in reality they can't. We are reaping what we have sewn for well over the last 60 years.

It's full of that attitude now, but it wasn't 150ish years ago. The entire black-white dynamic in this country could have played out differently, if it had been handled more wisely.

Being a tad dramatic are we? Reaping what we have sewn for over the last 60 years? I'm not buying all of the doom and gloom, I would argue things are progressing for the better. We have a black President, we still run the free world. Each generation seems to have more empathy for the next, I work in a school that is "Urban", and you would be amazed how much more compassionate this generation of young people is than the last. Trump won yes, but that doesn't mean things are going to be "bad". The owners of this country though profit from the separation of us, so yea, there is that, but that doesn't mean this isn't the greatest fucking nation on earth.

Absolutely things are getting better. But my point is that we shouldn't even have to be doing this nonsense by now. The ending of slavery in this country was handled in absolutely the worst possible way.

Many other nations on earth have had slaves in their history. Very, very few have the lingering social issues that we do, as a result of it.

[The Conservative]

Define overly-privileged.

Definition: Overly-Privilidged
Agitative: (adj.)

Refer to definition Millennial


Millinial
Noun (n.)
1. Special little snowflake.
2. Creampuff.
3. An unjustified over-inflated ego and right to things they have earned.