North Korea News

[SuburbanFarmer]

Definitely buy oil stocks if you think a big war is coming, unless that war is nuclear, I guess.

There is no other type of 'big war' now.

[Speaker to Animals]

Definitely buy oil stocks if you think a big war is coming, unless that war is nuclear, I guess.

There is no other type of 'big war' now.

Invest in heirloom seeds, water filters, ammo, and bicycle tires, then.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Definitely buy oil stocks if you think a big war is coming, unless that war is nuclear, I guess.

There is no other type of 'big war' now.

Invest in heirloom seeds, water filters, ammo, and bicycle tires, then.

Got the seeds covered. Water supply is tricky, but I've got a lake nearby.

[SilverEagle]

The North Korean nuclear option has not yet reached the threshold of existential threat, I would consider preempting them before they ever get there, but they're not there yet, still some years off before they are at Red Wings against the CONUS, I'll let you know when we get there, in the meantime, the only realistic war scenario is ragged start, by misapprehension, miscalculation and mistake, and as such, it will not open with a decapitation strike, nor launch on warning.

Yeah that makes sense. Still I think new war is on the horizon based off the massive increase of production at that Ohio Titanium factory that I wrote about earlier today.

The US military doesn't actually use a whole lot of titanium, here and there, mostly for high performance aircraft, but not in huge quantities, if there was a ramp up for World War Three, the ramp up would be in depleted uranium not titanium.

I wasn't saying WWIII, just a new war in general. They also make powder metal alloys. So it's not just titanium. They are a major supplier for the U.S. military industrial complex and the last two times production ramped up, two wars shortly followed. Just taking the information given to me and connecting the dots.

http://www.timet.com/

[Speaker to Animals]

There is no other type of 'big war' now.

Invest in heirloom seeds, water filters, ammo, and bicycle tires, then.

Got the seeds covered. Water supply is tricky, but I've got a lake nearby.

Rainwater collectors can be built with plastic barrels, tarps, and pvc pipe. Water filter pumps are pretty cheap at REI.

Getting radiation out of water is your problem.

[Smitty-48]

The Pentagon is not ramping up for a big war right now, quite the opposite, sequestration has them by the throat, they don't have any money for a big ramp up, the only thing they're allowed to spend big money on is the GWOT, through the NDAA/AUMF Overseas Contingency Operations fund, which is seperate from their main budget.

In terms of capital expenditures to buy big ticket items and heavy duty stockpiles for a big war, they're actually having to cut back in order to pay for the overhead related to fighting the GWOT.

They can get money through OCO, but OCO doesn't cover everything, so they're having to cannibalize the Big War assets in order to pay for all the stuff that OCO doesn't cover but is still required in order to support the OCO mission. OCO pays for the operations, but it doesn't pay for the training and support related to force generation for OCO.

The Marines are poised to invade North Korea? Not bloody likely, since their biggest exercise of the year, Bold Alligator, just got downsized by half because they don't have the money for it, because they had to repurpose money to pay for the hurricane disaster response, that's how broke they are right now.

Two theater war? Please, they don't even have the cash to do hurricane relief and run exercises at the same time, never mind fight two wars at the same time. They can barely invade Puerto Rico, forget North Korea.

Ramp up for war, on $589 billion? Yeah, right, in Pentagon terms, $589 billion 2017 dollars is called "broke", because the vast majority of that money is overhead and not for the sharp end at all.

That might have been a lot of money back in the 1980's, but in 2017 that's chump change, in Reagan era terms, the constant dollar budget of the Pentagon right now, is only $196 billion, less than one third of what you were spending in the 1980's, so the big war fund is cut to the bone now.

Prepared for two theater war/one theater big war? In 2017 dollars, that would cost $2 trillion a year, and since you would have to add way more personnel, half of that would still be overhead.

[Smitty-48]

Yeah that makes sense. Still I think new war is on the horizon based off the massive increase of production at that Ohio Titanium factory that I wrote about earlier today.

The US military doesn't actually use a whole lot of titanium, here and there, mostly for high performance aircraft, but not in huge quantities, if there was a ramp up for World War Three, the ramp up would be in depleted uranium not titanium.

I wasn't saying WWIII, just a new war in general. They also make powder metal alloys. So it's not just titanium. They are a major supplier for the U.S. military industrial complex and the last two times production ramped up, two wars shortly followed. Just taking the information given to me and connecting the dots.

http://www.timet.com/

Meh, has nothing to do with it, there's no ramp up for a war at all, quite the opposite, other than continuing the GWOT idefinitely at the current expenditures, the Pentagon is breaking down not building up, the US military is getting smaller and weaker and less prepared for war all the time.

GWOT + Sequestration = Sky Is Falling Chicken Little Faggots are just blathering hysterically as per usual, but there's no there there.

Couldn't even be fixed just by throwing money at it, can't turn things around that fast, the Pentagon is so depleted in terms of preparation for a big war, they couldn't even spend the money to make it happen, because the infrastructure needed for a build up has been depleted too.

It's bottlenecked, there's a limit to how much money they could throughput, even if you dumped all the money in the world on them right now. They don't need huge amounts of materiel, as they simply don't have the throughput right now to make use of it.

Would take a decade of rebuilding at least, to prepare for a big war, even if they start throwing money at it in big quantities, starting right now, which, they sho ain't, not at all.

In order to conduct a build up, first the Pentagon would first have to build up its capacity to build up, there's no ordering large quantities of raw materials, until you have the workshops to make it into something.

What Ronald Reagan did in 1981? Couldn't even do it now, the capacity to build up like that has gone away, would take years to build it back up before you could start ordering the titanium and whatnot. The first thing you order in large quantities for a capacity build up, is concrete, not titanium.

[Smitty-48]

On the bright side, Capps has provided us with an excellent Pentagonese acronym to identify the derptards who run to Zerohedge to get their analysis and then run back to the forum to blabber on hysterically about stuff they have no practical knowledge of, in order to Tom Clancy ZOMG circle panic jerk all over themselves.

SIFCLF; "Siffcliff"

[SilverEagle]

The US military doesn't actually use a whole lot of titanium, here and there, mostly for high performance aircraft, but not in huge quantities, if there was a ramp up for World War Three, the ramp up would be in depleted uranium not titanium.

I wasn't saying WWIII, just a new war in general. They also make powder metal alloys. So it's not just titanium. They are a major supplier for the U.S. military industrial complex and the last two times production ramped up, two wars shortly followed. Just taking the information given to me and connecting the dots.

http://www.timet.com/

Meh, has nothing to do with it, there's no ramp up for a war at all, quite the opposite, other than continuing the GWOT idefinitely at the current expenditures, the Pentagon is breaking down not building up, the US military is getting smaller and weaker and less prepared for war all the time.

GWOT + Sequestration = Sky Is Falling Chicken Little Faggots are just blathering hysterically as per usual, but there's no there there.

Couldn't even be fixed just by throwing money at it, can't turn things around that fast, the Pentagon is so depleted in terms of preparation for a big war, they couldn't even spend the money to make it happen, because the infrastructure needed for a build up has been depleted too.

It's bottlenecked, there's a limit to how much money they could throughput, even if you dumped all the money in the world on them right now. They don't need huge amounts of materiel, as they simply don't have the throughput right now to make use of it.

Would take a decade of rebuilding at least, to prepare for a big war, even if they start throwing money at it in big quantities, starting right now, which, they sho ain't, not at all.

In order to conduct a build up, first the Pentagon would first have to build up its capacity to build up, there's no ordering large quantities of raw materials, until you have the workshops to make it into something.

What Ronald Reagan did in 1981? Couldn't even do it now, the capacity to build up like that has gone away, would take years to build it back up before you could start ordering the titanium and whatnot. The first thing you order in large quantities for a capacity build up, is concrete, not titanium.

Yeah, sorry you are wrong this time Smitty.

[StCapps]

I wasn't saying WWIII, just a new war in general. They also make powder metal alloys. So it's not just titanium. They are a major supplier for the U.S. military industrial complex and the last two times production ramped up, two wars shortly followed. Just taking the information given to me and connecting the dots.

http://www.timet.com/

Meh, has nothing to do with it, there's no ramp up for a war at all, quite the opposite, other than continuing the GWOT idefinitely at the current expenditures, the Pentagon is breaking down not building up, the US military is getting smaller and weaker and less prepared for war all the time.

GWOT + Sequestration = Sky Is Falling Chicken Little Faggots are just blathering hysterically as per usual, but there's no there there.

Couldn't even be fixed just by throwing money at it, can't turn things around that fast, the Pentagon is so depleted in terms of preparation for a big war, they couldn't even spend the money to make it happen, because the infrastructure needed for a build up has been depleted too.

It's bottlenecked, there's a limit to how much money they could throughput, even if you dumped all the money in the world on them right now. They don't need huge amounts of materiel, as they simply don't have the throughput right now to make use of it.

Would take a decade of rebuilding at least, to prepare for a big war, even if they start throwing money at it in big quantities, starting right now, which, they sho ain't, not at all.

In order to conduct a build up, first the Pentagon would first have to build up its capacity to build up, there's no ordering large quantities of raw materials, until you have the workshops to make it into something.

What Ronald Reagan did in 1981? Couldn't even do it now, the capacity to build up like that has gone away, would take years to build it back up before you could start ordering the titanium and whatnot. The first thing you order in large quantities for a capacity build up, is concrete, not titanium.

Yeah, sorry you are wrong this time Smitty.

Just because you don't like what the math says, doesn't mean the math is wrong.
/shrugs

Why is it so hard to believe the DoD is spending the funds that it's allocated so poorly, that your military is becoming a bloated and fat bureaucracy with huge overhead, instead of a lean mean fighting machine? I mean that seems fairly obviously true, not sure why can't some folks get that through their heads.

The bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy, or as Smitty likes to put it, a self licking ice cream cone.