THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:54 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:Yeah, so?
If we had any sort of open nomination process, those would have been our last 2 presidents.
Bullshit.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by pineapplemike » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:09 pm

I have a feeling Ron Paul would have gotten a lot further in the polls if the MSM had painted him as the active duty military's choice, rather than a 90's ghostwriter racist.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:10 pm

pineapplemike wrote:I have a feeling Ron Paul would have gotten a lot further in the polls if the MSM had painted him as the active duty military's choice, rather than a 90's ghostwriter racist.

He didn't fight back, though.

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Post by Martin Hash » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:10 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:I think Trump is likely pretty adaptable to be honest, he's a business guy, they listen, they question, they give you your shot, if you impress them, they hand you the ball, Trump ain't no ideologue, he's been nothing but realpolitik the whole way.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by pineapplemike » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:14 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
pineapplemike wrote:I have a feeling Ron Paul would have gotten a lot further in the polls if the MSM had painted him as the active duty military's choice, rather than a 90's ghostwriter racist.

He didn't fight back, though.
Too busy trashing the Federal Reserve, corporatism and the military industrial complex to deal with MSM smear jobs. Shame.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:17 pm

You could tell by the clapping at the press conference that people have grown sick of it over the past eight years. CNN needed that treatment years ago.

More and more Americans have lost their fear of the left and their gulag mentality. People are pushing back now, and Trump is leading the way.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Fife » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:19 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:If Americans were actually vehemently opposed to the NSA collecting metadata, and really in favour of asuming greater risk of attack to do so, Ron Wyden would have been the President of the United States along time ago, but notice that he isn't?

The electorate are actually Uber Security Hawks, folks, plain to see.
We don't get to choose who is nominated. That should be pretty obvious by now.
Americans are, on the aggregate, Uber Security Hawks, what should be pretty obvious, is that nobody is voting for Eddie Snowden and Co, so get real.
On the aggregate, I'd say you're about right. Surveillance State was the only way to fly by the 1860s, at the latest. The "aggregate" actually probably shifted for good about the time that Little Big Stuff Al Hamilton sent his stepnfetchits, the American Fabius and Lighthorse Harry, out to personally straighten out the MIngo Creek boys, and to let them know that personal papers and effects are keen, but only after the duty had been collected.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by pineapplemike » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:28 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:You could tell by the clapping at the press conference that people have grown sick of it over the past eight years. CNN needed that treatment years ago.

More and more Americans have lost their fear of the left and their gulag mentality. People are pushing back now, and Trump is leading the way.
I'm not putting Politico on the pedestal, but they're reporting: Trump filled the room with paid staffers who clapped and cheered as he blasted members of the media as purveyors of “fake news.” http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/t ... dia-233496

I wouldn't put it past him. And I'm with you on the pushback to the regressive left, but I think it remains to be seen whether or not this is the game changing political shift you've been hyping up in one of these threads, the democrats have several faux-bamas being bred across the country to replace the messiah, they'll be back.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by kybkh » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:59 pm

Wat do when @chrislhayes bails on you??

Also, this assessment of the public report on Russian hacking from @mashagessen gives one more than a little pause

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/01/09 ... elligence/
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:04 pm

An hyperpoliticized IC is a blinded IC, who knew?

American IC is a classic case of confirmation bias, they start with the conclusion, based on partisan rather than national security imperatives, then ignore anything which does not fit the desired partisan outcome. "Putin is WMD!"

You don't win the Budget Wars in America, by telling the partisans things they don't want to hear.
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