THE ERA OF TRUMP

[adwinistrator]

When JSOC started out, it was just DELTA and DEVGRU, but by now it has expanded to the point of being a National Clandestine Service of the Pentagon's very own, with full access to all the other Pentagon resources which the CIA does not have.

Via the DIA's Defense Clandestine Service (DCS).

The Defense Clandestine Service (DCS) is an arm of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), which conducts clandestine espionage activities around the world to answer national-level defense objectives for senior U.S. policymakers and military leaders. Staffed by civilian and military personnel, DCS is part of DIA's Directorate of Operations and works in conjunction with the Central Intelligence Agency's Directorate of Operations and the U.S. military's Joint Special Operations Command.

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In 2012, the Pentagon announced its intention to ramp up spying operations against high-priority targets, such as Iran and China, under an intelligence reorganization aimed at expanding the military’s espionage efforts beyond war zones. To this end, the DIA consolidated its existing human intelligence capabilities into the Defense Clandestine Service, with plans to work closely with the CIA and the Joint Special Operations Command.

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The plan was developed in response to a classified study completed in 2011 by the Director of National Intelligence, which concluded that the military’s espionage efforts needed to be more focused on major targets beyond the tactical considerations of Iraq and Afghanistan. While in the past, DIA was effectively conducting its traditional, and much larger, mission of providing intelligence to troops and commanders in war zones, the study noted it needed to focus more attention outside the battlefields on "national intelligence"—gathering and distributing information on global issues and sharing that intelligence with other agencies. The realignment was expected to affect several hundred operatives who already worked in intelligence assignments abroad, mostly as case officers for the DIA, which serves as the Pentagon's main source of human intelligence and analysis. The new service was expected to grow by several hundred operatives and was intended to complement the espionage network of the CIA, which focuses on a wider array of non-military threats.

[Smitty-48]

Indeed, DIA duplicates CIA Directorate of Analysis, DCS duplicates CIA Directorate of Operations, JSOC duplicates CIA Special Activities Division on a much grander scale; the Pentagon has been building a duplicate CIA, within DOD.

As I said, the Pentagon is seeking to be one stop shopping, for all the President's clandestine needs, they're adopting the Big Box model, to win the Budget Wars.

DOD is; NSA, NRO, DIA, DCS, and JSOC; who needs CIA?

[adwinistrator]

Indeed, DIA duplicates CIA Directorate of Analysis, DCS duplicates CIA Directorate of Operations, JSOC duplicates CIA Special Activities Division on a much grander scale; the Pentagon has been building a duplicate CIA, within DOD.

What I'm wondering is, who is in charge of the long term DIA positioning? If Gen. Mattis doesn't think the DIA should be expanding their scope of operation, and wants them to be a combat support agency, will they do so?

Or is this the kind of agency with entrenched bureaucrats who are really controlling the long term strategy? If so, are the people making the decisions DIA or Pentagon officials, and would incoming and outgoing SecDef's know this and be OK with it (in the sense that the President isn't really in control of the CIA, but the work for him)?

From what I can see, DIA was fairly comfortable operating as military support, but after the military has had boots on the ground for over a decade, they've seemed to move towards a more global intelligence strategy, and like you've said, are in the midst of fight for control with the CIA.

[Smitty-48]

It's being driven by the Civilian Authorities, as the CIA has lost credibility, the President's and all the President's men, have been increasingly turning to the military instead, it's market forces, CIA's stock has been falling, while the Pentagon's stock has been rising, the General's are not driving this, the White House is.

Which is why it's really dumb, for the CIA to go to war with the incoming West Wing, blowing more credibility with the new President, when they are hanging on by their fingertips as it is. Don't think the Pentagon is not lying in the weeds short selling them, the Pentagon has been licking its lips watching the CIA bite the hand that feeds them, no doubt.

"The CIA is disloyal, Mr. President, but we, your stalwart Praetorians, stand at the ready, to execute all your clandestine needs."

Can I get an Oo-rah?

Oooooooo-Rah!!!

[Speaker to Animals]

Smitty has a point. We are are watching a collapse of the civilian power faction in the executive branch. They took a gamble and tried to stop Trump. Now they are taking a backseat to the military. Which probably is a good thing at this point.

[Smitty-48]

The Trump Team has actually prescribed a path back to redemption for the CIA, which is to get back to what it was originally intended to do, which is HUMINT, using the Handler's and NOC's, as the CIA became increasingly militarized and focused on technical collection, they opened the door for the Pentagon to compete head to head with them, they need to find their niche, but they can't do that, when they've gone rogue and started shilling for the Democucks, that just sidelines them completely, at that point, the Trump Team doesn't trust them, so its driving the Trump Team towards the quiet professionals over at the Pentagon who know where their bread is buttered, sure, Congress controls the purse strings, but the Executive decides who gets the missions; no missions, no purse.

[kybkh]

Yeah, Smitty blew my aluminum foil off last night so I've been get unfiltered mind control all day.

This whole thing goes back to David Petraeus?? I wonder.

If I had realized what was going on at the start, first question I would have asked would have been...Whose better at Cyber??

Did Barron win the election?

[Speaker to Animals]

It might be too late for the CIA. Pentagon already struck. CIA was too focused on their iPhones and gadgets to see it coming.

[Smitty-48]

Just to give you an idea of the size of the relative opponents here, the CIA's budget is $14 billion, just JSOC alone, has a budget of $10 billion, the CIA is losing the Budget Wars, biting the hand that feeds them, going into a meeting with Trump, and then five minutes after having things in confidence from that meeting, being twisited and amplified against him by CNN, is the CIA commiting bureaucratic seppuku.

[TheReal_ND]

Unnamed sources from the CIA and MI6 found this picture on Putler's computer.