Daniel Shaver shooting

[Smitty-48]

I have water skied twice. It is pretty hard to get positioned in the water while you are waiting for the boat to pull you. I would like to try cold weather skiing, but knowing my luck I would probably break my fucking neck going down the mountain. Have you ever skied?

Oh yeah, I can ski, I don't go too crazy downhill, I just take it easy, cross country I did a fuckton of in the army, and I can water ski too, but I fall down a lot, I'm just a cottage water skier, for fun, I don't have any technique.

Me n' the wife, we like skijoring, cross country skiing with your dogs pulling you.

[Otern]

Saw the video, and it's fucking crazy how this cop wasn't convicted for anything. Or the department not getting convicted for improper training.

They had loads of opportunities to cuff the guy. He obviously did his best in following their instructions, under extreme stress, which lasted long enough to break anyone.

They dragged it out for way too long, when they could've sent one cop in to cuff him right away after he's on the floor, while the others could cover the doors.

It's pretty much as close to state sanctioned murder you could get.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I am literally shaking. That is murder.

[Fife]

[Speaker to Animals]

Simon Says is a deadly game in America thanks to police worshippers.

[Otern]

Even when trying to play devil's advocate on this, I really can't find a way where the cop, or the department can slip away from punishment.

Maybe it's not pure murder, if that cop received shit training, and were wildly misinformed about the situation, and were overworked. But it's still gross criminal negligence. And the department, for hiring that shucklefuck, and training him this poorly, DEFINITELY is to blame.

Hope the family wins whatever civil lawsuit is on its way though, although it will not make this ok in any way.

The blame does not entirely lay on the cop though. The training, and procedures has to be changed for these things to happen less.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's murder. Cops should have to mount an affirmative defense for shooting somebody, no differently than any other American.

You shoot an unarmed man who is on the ground crying for his life, and you should have to prove that you had good reason to do so. The fact that you killed an innocent man is irrefutable.

[Speaker to Animals]

I can tell you right now where this trend leads. It's happened before. In Chicago during the last big migration wave, the cops couldn't care less about the immigrant community. If some Irishman or Italian turns up dead, whatever. Many times it was the cops themselves murdering people for whatever. When it became clear no justice could be realized for these communities, they turned to gangs. Gangs began to police their own communities. When gangs became sufficiently powerful, they went after the crooked cops. Cops were less likely to murder an immigrant if it means they are going to get popped a few months later. The gang is the natural state of man, and when you remove the protections and benefits of society, that's exactly where humans turn because they obviously have no other choice.

Welcome to consequences.

[Otern]

It's murder. Cops should have to mount an affirmative defense for shooting somebody, no differently than any other American.

You shoot an unarmed man who is on the ground crying for his life, and you should have to prove that you had good reason to do so. The fact that you killed an innocent man is irrefutable.

The only way I can see this as not murder, is if the training basically brainwash the cops where they actually do fear for their lives for anything and everything.

In that case, it's the department that should be tried for being an accessory to murder. And the cop should still be locked up for being insane.

[nmoore63]

For those that see the negligence:

The main question left for me is why the acquittal?

Only 1 out of 50 folks or so that I have shown this to thinks it was ok. Yet 12 out of 12 jurors.

Is it simply that the judicial system is incapable being unbiased with respect to the police force?

(i.e. that the prosecution, defense and judge dealt with the case differently than they do civilian ones)