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[Smitty-48]

If it was a typical Leafs management group, might not be doable, but Lou Lamoriello is not a typical GM, I think Lou could pull it off, in Lou we trust.

True but if Lamoriello or Babcock could be run out of town due to a complete lack of patience by the fan base and the media, then the Leafs ownership might just find a way to shoot themselves in the foot and cave to the pressure. If you guys start losing and Nashville starts winning there could easily be no deal to be had this year, and then the longer it takes for the Leafs to meet fan and media expectations the more dicey that situation gets despite the quality of the management group.

It's not lack of patience, you can't do a 15 year rebuild, it's a five year plan, they can't keep everybody, at some point you have to pick your core and then move some of your massed prospects to get that one peice that puts you in contention, they have the #1 centre, they have two #1 wingers, they have a #2 centre, they have the #2 D, they have a starting goalie, the only thing left for the core is the #1 D, outside of your core, you pull out all the stops to get that piece.

The only thing that seperates teams in the cap era league is the cores, everybody else on the teams is totally interchangeable and easy to get, so once you have your core, then your window opens and you have to go for it, you can't just sit around and amass prospects for a decade, the windows aren't that big anymore, they have almost everything for the next decade now, they're only missing one piece, #1 D, so anything that is not core, is on the table.

Matthews and Marner are untouchable, they are core, and no sense trading Rielly and then having to find a replacement to play with the #1 D, so they are not on the table, but everything else is, I'm quite sure.

I do believe that Shahanan is that agressive, he's not on a ten year mission here, he wants to contend much sooner than that.

[StCapps]

It's not lack of patience, you can't do a 15 year rebuild, it's a five year plan, they can't keep everybody, at some point you have to pick your core and then move some of your massed prospects to get that one peice that puts you in contention, they have the #1 centre, they have two #1 wingers, they have a #2 centre, they have the #2 D, they have a starting goalie, the only thing left for the core is the #1 D, outside of your core, you pull out all the stops to get that piece.

The only thing that seperates teams in the cap era league is the cores, everybody else on the teams is totally interchangeable and easy to get, so once you have your core, then your window opens and you have to go for it, you can't just sit around and amass prospects for a decade, the windows aren't that big anymore, they have almost everything for the next decade now, they're only missing one piece, #1 D, so anything that is not core, is on the table.

Matthews and Marner are untouchable, they are core, and no sense trading Rielly and then having to find a replacement to play with the #1 D, so they are not on the table, but everything else is, I'm quite sure.

I do believe that Shahanan is that agressive, he's not on a ten year mission here, he wants to contend much sooner than that.

A five year plan sounds like a path to media and fan base shitting all over the team when they don't win the cup by year 3 or 4 in Toronto. That's the issue, panic will set long before then in all likelihood given their reactions to failure in past years. The Leafs fan base and media likely won't tolerate less and be looking to pull the plug. If y'all can fight that tendency you might have chance of that plan working out, but I have serious doubts. It is the Leafs we are talking about here.

[Smitty-48]

A five year plan sounds like a path to media and fan base shitting all over the team when they don't win the cup by year 3 or 4 in Toronto. That's the issue, panic will set long before then in all likelihood given their reactions to failure in past years. The Leafs fan base and media likely won't tolerate less and be looking to pull the plug. If y'all can fight that tendency you might have chance of that plan working out, but I have serious doubts. It is the Leafs we are talking about here.

Nah, it's not the same Leafs anymore, everything's changed, it's a completely transformed organization, they don't do anything Leaf like anymore, and the fans and media know it, I'm not saying they will get Subban, but that's just the sort of player they need to make the stretch for, the clock is already ticking on the current core players, nothing will deviate them from their program, but if a Norris Trophy D-Man of that age window came on the market, they would put everything on the table except the untouchables, and if that was Subban, nobody round here would complain, for a player like that, in this day and age, on the window they are in now, that would be worth the stretch.

Can't play a team of prospects, can't do a fifteen year rebuild, at some point, they have to and will decide who is core and who is expendable, the only two who I think are untouchable are Matthews and Marner, and they're not going to trade a top D for a top D when they need a top D, Subban for Weber was actually an extreme rarety, that trade is not going to happen twice, if Nashville decides they need to move the money, they are not getting another trade like that, it's not going to be Norris Trophy for Norris Trophy twice, they are going to have to take a package.

If Nashville's window closes, which I think it is, and they decide to move the money and get younger, which I actually think is very plausible, then Subban is the guy they have to move, at which point, No Trade means he decides where he's going, at which point, the scenario is not that long of a shot, Matthews, Marner, Rielly; can't have, but there's a package outside of that which could make it happen, if PK wants to come to the 6ix, which, the way things are being run here now, he would.

They're a budget team, they only brought Subban in to make a Cup run, but I don't think they're actually that close, I think it was actually a desperation move, and I have my doubts that its going to work out for them, I think they're actually going to start sinking, at which point, a budget team which is not contending, with a $9 million defensemen who is almost thirty, wants out of town, to go to the 6ix, with the no trade leverage, and the 6ix being one of the few teams who could even afford him/get him under the cap anyways, and who has the prospect depth to make a package; it's not that crazy a scenario.

It's not like I'm saying pull out the stops for any old D-man, we're talking PK here, singular player, singularly made to play in the 6ix, worth the stretch, in the current window of opportunity. Can't wait forever, Matthews and Marner are 7 years away from UFA, and entering their prime right now, five year window is already opening as we speak, if a PK is moving, they gotta get on that bus.

Not making the move, not being agressive, not finding the D-man to support Matthews, Marner and Rielly? 15 year rebuild? That would actually be the Leaf like thing to do, but I don't think Shanahan is going to let the grass grow under him like the old Leafs would, and I don't think Babcock is willing to wait neither.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Trump had a winning hand at FIFTH largest attendance ever, but instead counters a lie with a lie. Trump may know how to work his base but I'm never going to get used to propaganda vs. propaganda debates.

Embrace the solipsism! What is truth anyways?

From THE GREAT BEAST, Aleister Crowley 666

2. He showed his KNOWLEDGE chiefly by the use of cipher or cryptogram in certain passages to set forth recondite facts, including some events which had yet to take place, such that no human being could possibly be aware of them; thus, the proof of his claim exists in the manuscript itself. It is independent of any human witness.

POST TRUTH! HAIL SATAN!

[SuburbanFarmer]

This thread is a pretty interesting read. Sad, but interesting.

Apparently year-over-year comparison of verified traveler statistics don't apply because... reasons
A photo taken directly overhead is not as valid as one taken from 10-15 degrees to measure crowd size because... reasons.
2 respected forum members get swarmed by True Beliebers, desperately defending their savior from facts, because... women?

It's a microcosm of the Stupid that is enveloping our nation, and not encouraging in the least. But I'm sure everything will be fine cause nothing bad has happened yet, and you can't come up with the perfect example of why it's bad to have a narcissist in command of America.

[Speaker to Animals]

That photo was taken hours before the inauguration and passed off by the lying MSM as being taken during the inauguration. It was a lie.

We can all see photos from the event. We can all see the crowds backed up all the way to the Washington Monument. Derp..

[SuburbanFarmer]

That photo was taken hours before the inauguration and passed off by the lying MSM as being taken during the inauguration. It was a lie.

We can all see photos from the event. We can all see the crowds backed up all the way to the Washington Monument. Derp..

I'm not concerned with the fucking photos of who had the best crowds. There are DC Metro numbers with year-over-year comparisons to fight over, if you must.

What concerns me is that this clown is so concerned about a tiny slight, that's he's willing to derail his first few days in office fighting over it - for what?

It's an obvious character flaw to be exploited by anyone. South American Presidente X says he has direct evidence of Trump's tiny penis, and US foreign policy shifts to Dickwadistan for a week? This guy is going to lead some of the best and brightest in the world? I think not.
It directly undermines confidence and prestige in our government, and will lead to some unbelievable unrest - which would birth a new totalitarian regime, and lead to The Police State that none of us want.

That's only one of many ways that this will lead to disaster, if that hole ain't patched.

[Speaker to Animals]

Fucking hell, it's not about who had the bigger crowds. It's about the LYING!

[PartyOf5]

In my opinion, lately, you have become the mainstream media's echo.

I just have been reporting on, you know, actual news stories about Trump.

You just said the same thing Capps did.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fucking hell, it's not about who had the bigger crowds. It's about the LYING!

Ok, so like I said. What happens with Presidente Fuckwit X says he has photographic evidence of Trump's pitifully small penis? We declare war, and focus all resources on defending the Stupid from other Stupid?

How much did Obama react to racist shit, comparing him to a tribal chief and Hitler for years, from the T-Purty?? His restraint was key to keeping a lid on it - what do you suppose happens when any meme can directly piss off our Commander in Chief?

Kellyanne Conway today, to the WH Press Corps: "We might have to reevaluate our relationship". You don't HAVE a fucking relationship with the press! It's not your PR wing! This line of thought is incredibly dangerous, and if you can't see that, then yes - you would be one strapping on the jackboots.

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk ... with-press

Cue Smitty-troll saying "Jackboots are awesome! Better me than you fuckers!" But this is not a joke any longer.