Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Xenophon » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:10 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:08 am
Feels like the risk of the balloon going up is dramatically increasing.

I think there is a fair chance the Russians are going to face enormous casualties and material loss in the subsequent insurgency unless they go home, and obviously Putin can't just leave.

Everybody keeps focusing on NATO, but Russia already proved both that NATO is useless and that Russia was absolutely the biggest joke of a boogie man ever, except for the fact that they still sit on about 6k nuclear warheads. I would bet you that if all those Baltic states were to form a league they could probably fend off the Russian army as it exists right now, no problem.

But that is the problem. Those Russians completely bogged down outside of Kyiv right now are their best. Those are the guys backing, for instance, India in Kashmir right now. If China decided to invade a small country literally on the other side of one their land borders right now, it's over. Right? But Russia has no interest in Kashmir whereas China has claims on territory India controls and India just killed a few Chinese infantry last year there.

The basis for global stability was just proven pointless. What's more, these God damned corporations and banks just proved they are more powerful than nation states, including our own. They could destroy our economy too.

I dunno. I hope these are just paranoid fears. Good luck, guys. I almost want to go to Kyiv, though. I am in my late 40s and I smell glory like nothing else happening. You have to go sometime.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:11 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:10 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:08 am
I almost want to go to Kyiv, though. I am in my late 40s and I smell glory like nothing else happening. You have to go sometime.
I feel the same way, but I'm in my fifties now, and my right hip is worn out

I'd be a burden not a boon to the young troops in a close quarters fight
We have to die somehow, man. Why not in CQB with the Russians under the shadow of a mushroom cloud fighting for the freedom of people actually worth a damn?

Since the pandemic began, I became super fit. I look like Brad Pitt in that Troy movie at this point. Super fit right now. Nothing else to do.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:15 am

Xenophon wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:02 am
The Conservative wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:16 am
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11,000 Casualties sounds like complete bullshit.
Not really. They have a massive column trapped outside of Kyiv with no air dominance. It's getting constantly hit with sorties.

Casualties does not mean fatalities either. It include injured, of which you are going to have huge numbers when you line all your guys up in a line like that on a highway for interdiction sorties to just split roast them like that. Putin is a real piece of shit for what he did to those guys.

Maybe a quarter to half of that figure is actual fatalities if the number is accurate. But it is probably padded a little. I would guess the real number for the Russians is around 6k-8k, with maybe 3k-4k fatalities so far, which is still fucking stupid and Putin deserves to everything he has coming to him for that. If we had a president who did that, he'd be removed really fast.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:17 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:11 am

We have to die somehow, man. Why not in CQB with the Russians under the shadow of a mushroom cloud fighting for the freedom of people actually worth a damn?
I've picked up the phone to call the Ukrainian embassy a couple times

I am definitely inspired by real men fighting a real war for a real purpose, no doubt
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:22 am

the Canadian government has given the green light for Canadians to go and fight

my concerns are more that it would be the end of my marriage

and the Ukrainians are looking for professional soldiers to conduct operations

and I am not confident at my age that I could keep up with the pace
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:25 am

it would be a more realistic option to assist in an instructor role

like training their territorial defense forces which have no military experience at all
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:28 am

there is a unit in Ukraine called the Georgian National Legion

it was a combat unit in the Donbass early in the war

but now it has been re-roled as a training unit for foreign volunteers with no military experience

like they are running basic training, boot camp
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:30 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:25 am
it would be a more realistic option to assist in an instructor role

like training their territorial defense forces which have no military experience at all
How does it even work on the other side of an insurgency? Think about how many American veterans are watching right now and thinking this.

I am starting to realize there probably is no other army on this planet anywhere near us. As crazy as that sounds. I thought the Russians were far more effective than this.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:34 am

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Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:30 am
I thought the Russians were far more effective than this.
I knew they couldn't handle something like this

I just never thought they would be so reckless as to try this on

I was expecting a much more limited incursion
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:38 am

but I mean, they are bringing Ramzan Kadyrov's Chechens to mass murder Christians in Europe

it's a total war of annihilation, literally the Soviet Bolsheviks burning the entire country to the ground
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