Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[TheReal_ND]

Millions. What a convenient number

[BjornP]

Assimilation should be instantaneous when it comes to how one treats one's neighbor...you keep making excuses for why Mussies keep driving over pedestrians and throwing acid on women...That's seriously fucked up.

There's too many incidences for you to claim that such behavior is isolated to a few outliers....


When was the last time 100's of trailer parkers went out into public and committed mass gang rapes of women at a mall?

No, there really aren't that many. Again, citation needed.

Then compare Muslim crime rates to natives.

Then compare it to previous immigrant waves.

You'll find that it's not very different at all. It's the same old panic being stirred up in the media for sales.

Uhm.... GCF, I'm with you when it comes to many people here becoming hysterical and uncritically screeching about the fall of Western Civilization to Islam.... but that does not mean that there aren't greater problems with immigrants+their descendents from non-Western countries, than there are with natives.

I know you can't read this, it's just to prove that there's a source on what I'm about to say. DST or "Danmarks Statistisk" is the official national statistical database.

http://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/nyt/NytHtml?cid=20403

The figure at the top of the page, the one that says "Straffelovsindex for mænd" (criminal law index for men) reads from left to right on x-axis:

"Immigrants, Western countries" - "descendents, Western countries", "immigrants, non-Western countries", "Descendents, non-Western countries" and "People with (ethnic) Danish origins". It also states that it is the immigrants and descendents from the former Yugoslav Republic, Lebanon and Morroco that figure most prominently in the crime stats (generally, not limited to sexual crimes). Immigrants and descendents from China figure the least.

As for sexual crimes:

http://cphpost.dk/news/more-immigrant-m ... f5d2dd6904

So.... no GCF, it's really not exclusively one of those "they're really the same, you're just overreacting to it" things. They are overreacting, probably because their newsfeeds just feed them the rape stories, and not the stories of Muslims who actually accept the native values, but the posters here are also not reacting to something fake or fabricated. Those rape and sexual assault cases ARE a problem and can't be solved by people claiming that "they're really just like us". No... they're really not.

However, they can learn to be and indeed some prominent Muslims here have. But that actually requires ethnic Danes accepting that they are different and not all of their differences are good or should be tolerated. Which I believe most of us do.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I accept that they're more prone to violence than regular, integrated citizens - that much is obvious. I was referring to the insane hype around immigrant criminal issues - it's no different than every other wave that's ever happened.

[Speaker to Animals]

I accept that they're more prone to violence than regular, integrated citizens - that much is obvious. I was referring to the insane hype around immigrant criminal issues - it's no different than every other wave that's ever happened.

Uh.. no.

The government through deliberate policy has facilitated millions of people to come here, who should not legally even be here, who bring with them a much higher rate of criminality. When you say stupid shit like this, you spit in the face of the victims and their family members of the victims. People have been robbed, raped, and murdered. People have died from drunken illegal aliens.

The duty of a government is to protect its citizens, and our government for YEARS has wholly abrogated that duty by siding with businesses to look the other way at illegal immigration.

The differences between this and the crime waves we had before are: (1) the perpetrators should never have been allowed in this country in the first place, and (2) the people being brought in here to replace bring with them a higher crime rate than our own people, and those illegal immigrants have little intention to actually integrate into American society in the first place.

And in Europe's case, the culture of the immigrants brings with it terrorism and an ideology that is predicated upon the destruction of European society. Those governments have utterly failed in their responsibility to protect their own citizens by importing all of these violent people. I don't even personally think those governments have any legitimate right to rule over their people after this. Those governments should be abolished and replaced by governments that actually fulfill their responsibility to put their own people first.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I accept that they're more prone to violence than regular, integrated citizens - that much is obvious. I was referring to the insane hype around immigrant criminal issues - it's no different than every other wave that's ever happened.

Uh.. no.

The government through deliberate policy has facilitated millions of people to come here, who should not legally even be here, who bring with them a much higher rate of criminality. When you say stupid shit like this, you spit in the face of the victims and their family members of the victims. People have been robbed, raped, and murdered.

People are robbed, raped, and murdered every single day, in massive numbers. The fact that a few of them were at the hands of refugees/immigrants should not affect a national policy.

People have died from drunken illegal aliens.

Muslims aren't illegal, and don't drink. Are you talking about roving hordes of drunk Mexicans now?

The duty of a government is to protect its citizens, and our government for YEARS has wholly abrogated that duty by siding with businesses to look the other way at illegal immigration.

And ripping money out of everyone's pockets at a record pace, polluting the water and air supply, and destroying our food standards, but ya know... immigration.

The differences between this and the crime waves we had before are: (1) the perpetrators should never have been allowed in this country in the first place, and (2) the people being brought in here to replace bring with them a higher crime rate than our own people, and those illegal immigrants have little intention to actually integrate into American society in the first place.

You're echoing 200 years of xenophobic headlines, word-for-word. Realize that.

And in Europe's case, the culture of the immigrants brings with it terrorism and an ideology that is predicated upon the destruction of European society. Those governments have utterly failed in their responsibility to protect their own citizens by importing all of these violent people. I don't even personally think those governments have any legitimate right to rule over their people after this. Those governments should be abolished and replaced by governments that actually fulfill their responsibility to put their own people first.

All muslims are terrorists.. got it.

[Speaker to Animals]

I can see GCF already lost by his lame attempt at fisking. Only way to respond is with red ink. I suppose he will spam the thread with cat pics shortly.

I accept that they're more prone to violence than regular, integrated citizens - that much is obvious. I was referring to the insane hype around immigrant criminal issues - it's no different than every other wave that's ever happened.

Uh.. no.

The government through deliberate policy has facilitated millions of people to come here, who should not legally even be here, who bring with them a much higher rate of criminality. When you say stupid shit like this, you spit in the face of the victims and their family members of the victims. People have been robbed, raped, and murdered.

People are robbed, raped, and murdered every single day, in massive numbers. The fact that a few of them were at the hands of refugees/immigrants should not affect a national policy.

It isn't a few of them. It's huge increases in crime from illegal aliens and Muslim "refugees". Sweden has gone from probably the safest nation on Earth to the rape capital of Europe in only a few years. You are being disingenuous when you attempt to construct a false equivalence between this and the normal crime rate of a developed nation peopled predominantly by European peoples. Further, it's the duty of the government to protect its citizens from crime, hence why they establish police forces, and yet our governments have not only failed in their duty, but have deliberately taken courses of actions to expose their citizens to more danger.

People have died from drunken illegal aliens.

Muslims aren't illegal, and don't drink. Are you talking about roving hordes of drunk Mexicans now?


And.. in the US.. the illegal immigrants of our government's choice are Hispanics, who do drink. And.. Muslim men almost assuredly drink. The mass rapists in Europe last year were drunk. Hell, the 9-11 hijackers got drunk in a strip club the night before they killed over three thousand people.

The duty of a government is to protect its citizens, and our government for YEARS has wholly abrogated that duty by siding with businesses to look the other way at illegal immigration.

And ripping money out of everyone's pockets at a record pace, polluting the water and air supply, and destroying our food standards, but ya know... immigration.

The differences between this and the crime waves we had before are: (1) the perpetrators should never have been allowed in this country in the first place, and (2) the people being brought in here to replace bring with them a higher crime rate than our own people, and those illegal immigrants have little intention to actually integrate into American society in the first place.

You're echoing 200 years of xenophobic headlines, word-for-word. Realize that.

There it is! Scream RACIST!!!! whenever you are losing the debate.

And in Europe's case, the culture of the immigrants brings with it terrorism and an ideology that is predicated upon the destruction of European society. Those governments have utterly failed in their responsibility to protect their own citizens by importing all of these violent people. I don't even personally think those governments have any legitimate right to rule over their people after this. Those governments should be abolished and replaced by governments that actually fulfill their responsibility to put their own people first.

All muslims are terrorists.. got it.

Somewhere around 20% of them in Europe side with ISIS and the terrorists, dipshit.

[BjornP]

I accept that they're more prone to violence than regular, integrated citizens - that much is obvious. I was referring to the insane hype around immigrant criminal issues - it's no different than every other wave that's ever happened.

That there's a hype, doesn't mean they get everything wrong. Think logically for a bit, GCF. Which is easier to integrate into a Western society? Members of a culture that do understand and can accept the rules, values and laws Westerners live under, or members of a culture who don't? The mistake of some of the hysterics here, is that they don't understand that Muslims from two different countries, can be as different from each other as Catholics from Poland and Catholics from the Phillipines are to each other. And that there are actually Muslims living in Europe who do accept the local rules, values and laws. But not enough of them.

Problem is we have been recieving third world immigrants who are much, much more likely to end up unemployed and isolated from society due to their poor educational backgrounds and not having useful skillsets in a first world economy. Which also tends to contribute to turning to crime. And it's that which is different from earlier immigrant waves. Labor participation is incredibly helpful in being able to integrate into society, as well as helping the individual immigrant gain some pride for himself.

https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign ... ator-chart

(compare to native-born in the box on the left)

[BjornP]

People are robbed, raped, and murdered every single day, in massive numbers. The fact that a few of them were at the hands of refugees/immigrants should not affect a national policy.

If there is some particular cultural, religious or even ideological belief among those refugees that explains their motivation for raping, then of course you should have some sort of policy to address that. Don't see a need for a national one, but a local one for those individual case workers certainly seems prudent.

Even if it was just a "few" of them. If people from a specific foreign culture believe that women wearing short skirts and having a visible cleavage makes her a whore, or that "men can't possibly control themselves when seeing a hot woman", then having a policy of educating those specific people about the sexual values in their new country is perfectly sound.

You can't expect people to become integrated into your society, if you do absolutely nothing yourself to actually show and tell them what sort of society they're expected to integrate into.

[SuburbanFarmer]

People are robbed, raped, and murdered every single day, in massive numbers. The fact that a few of them were at the hands of refugees/immigrants should not affect a national policy.

If there is some particular cultural, religious or even ideological belief among those refugees that explains their motivation for raping, then of course you should have some sort of policy to address that. Don't see a need for a national one, but a local one for those individual case workers certainly seems prudent.

Even if it was just a "few" of them. If people from a specific foreign culture believe that women wearing short skirts and having a visible cleavage makes her a whore, or that "men can't possibly control themselves when seeing a hot woman", then having a policy of educating those specific people about the sexual values in their new country is perfectly sound.

You can't expect people to become integrated into your society, if you do absolutely nothing yourself to actually show and tell them what sort of society they're expected to integrate into.

Agreed completely. This is a reasonable approach, as opposed to slamming the gates shut, and hunting them in the streets.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I accept that they're more prone to violence than regular, integrated citizens - that much is obvious. I was referring to the insane hype around immigrant criminal issues - it's no different than every other wave that's ever happened.

That there's a hype, doesn't mean they get everything wrong. Think logically for a bit, GCF. Which is easier to integrate into a Western society? Members of a culture that do understand and can accept the rules, values and laws Westerners live under, or members of a culture who don't? The mistake of some of the hysterics here, is that they don't understand that Muslims from two different countries, can be as different from each other as Catholics from Poland and Catholics from the Phillipines are to each other. And that there are actually Muslims living in Europe who do accept the local rules, values and laws. But not enough of them.

Problem is we have been recieving third world immigrants who are much, much more likely to end up unemployed and isolated from society due to their poor educational backgrounds and not having useful skillsets in a first world economy. Which also tends to contribute to turning to crime. And it's that which is different from earlier immigrant waves. Labor participation is incredibly helpful in being able to integrate into society, as well as helping the individual immigrant gain some pride for himself.

https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign ... ator-chart

(compare to native-born in the box on the left)

Yes, of course it's harder than fellow Europeans. Does that mean that you turn them back because "it's hard"?

The moral imperative here is incredibly simple. Nothing great was ever accomplished by taking the easy way.