Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Civilization is collapsing because of reasons.

Please provide any evidence whatsoever that this is the case.

Straw man!

I don't often use this one, because it is dismissive an impolite, but:

Already provided them. You ignored them, proceeded to straw man and, when called out on it, you demand the reasons you damned well know you keep ignoring. If I repost them, you will just repeat the cycle: ignore the argument, engage in questioning person's masculinity, resort to straw man, demand reasons you ignore again, repeat.

You provided exactly zero evidence that civilization is collapsing.
Is crime up? Are innovations halting? Is wealth decreasing?
You hypothesized that civilization would collapse because men weren't happy enough, which is a pretty unique claim about what makes a civilization fall.

[Speaker to Animals]

I gave you plenty of examples.

You are just engaging in one fallacy after another.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Nope, no examples.

You have a bunch of anecdotes about bum deals men got, and how they aren't going into business, and suggested this would cause civilization to collapse, and in fact, suggested it already was collapsing.

You have yet to provide a single shred of evidence that civilization is currently collapsing, or even in danger of collapsing.

Shit, even a single piece of evidence that any civilization anywhere, ever, has collapsed because men got too bummed out to go to work.

[K@th]

Lots of hatred on urbanites. We live in a very quiet neighborhood with almost no light pollution due to the surrounding parks. We sit on our front porch and say hi to the neighbors as they walk by. Our town has a plethora of activities almost every weekend. We are very short & cheap Uber ride away from downtown Ft. Lauderdale with access to the theaters, an IMAX, water front, bars, restaurants. Residents on my city are encouraged to go to town hall meetings, zoning meetings, etc. We go sometimes, if there is an interesting topic. Our town's council members always write me back when I send them emails about how things should be.

Five miles from the Atlantic Ocean doesn't suck either. On the daily we see Ibis, Anhinga, Egret, Heron, Wood Stork.... all beautiful Everglades birds. The view outside my office window is a beautiful lake and tons of trees.

It's currently 66 outside and the windows are open. It's going to be a lovely week, weather wise.

OTOH, my sister lives rural in a town of 2,600 or so. It's a great town, love to visit, urban area is 40 minutes away.

I don't get the global hatred. There are lovely people everywhere. There are assholes everywhere. This isn't a secret.

[Speaker to Animals]

Nope, no examples.

You have a bunch of anecdotes about bum deals men got, and how they aren't going into business, and suggested this would cause civilization to collapse, and in fact, suggested it already was collapsing.

You have yet to provide a single shred of evidence that civilization is currently collapsing, or even in danger of collapsing.

Shit, even a single piece of evidence that any civilization anywhere, ever, has collapsed because men got too bummed out to go to work.

Yep. Lots of them. You just ignored them because you don't have any answers. I can repeat them again, but then you will just ignore them again, drag out more fallacies and shittiness, and then demand I provide them again. Ad infinitum. Lame.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Looked at another way..

We now begin to see men checking out of corporate life. They are not showing up to universities at nearly the same rates as in the past (women are dominating university enrollment and receive most of the benefits to do so).

But it's men who provide most of the innovation. Even there, in a technological society, it's mainly white and Asian men, and we have a society that is making universities and corporations such poisonous environments for white men in particular that it really makes no sense for a young man to aspire to such a life.

What happens as this trend continues, and places like Google increase the gender studies freak employment and the employment of normal males who do all the actual innovation declines? What happens when that is seen across society?

None of this can sustain.

For a civilization to continue, most of the males have to receive some benefit from it. If not, they start to opt out of it first, but eventually that becomes open hostility and fragmentation as happened in late antiquity.

Is this what you are talking about?

No evidence here. Lots of theories and predictions. Not a shred of evidence.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Again, we can worry about whether women are happy later, since in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter. It's an ethical question of how we men should treat them, provide for them, and care for them. But in terms of civilization, women are not really a factor and we should never had made them so. They can't fight us. They don't build civilization either. They just benefit from it.

That's not to say I want to mistreat them as they collectively have mistreated men. I honestly believe men are better at justice than they are, and it's rather apparent from their obvious lack of empathy in general for men and zeal to amass ever more privileges and gibs for themselves even when doing so is slowly breaking down civilization itself.

Civilization is literally an us versus them phenomenon. It's built by men who all belong to a cohesive identity group. But we lost awareness of our identity groups. We are penalized for daring to seek those groups. That is what I mean here. These people are going out of their way to destroy identity groups for the men who actually built American society, demonizes them even, and expects us to sacrifice for the other.

Once you really get that, and I mean you really understand it and "see" it for how it is, you aren't going back. We have to figure out how to form that identity group of men that can collectively put civilization back together. I don't know how best to do that. The Alt-Right wants to make that just white men. That's how it was always done. Maybe it's possible to conceive of an identity group of men that is not inherently racial? I don't know, but I do know we better figure this out really fast.

Or this?

This is a long one.

Still, no evidence. Just more theories backed up by more theories. No evidence at all that civilization is actually currently on the decline.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

A simpler question.

What do you expect men to 'get out of society' that they are not currently getting?

Libraries, gym memberships, fresh fruits and vegetables, electricity, all that shit you were talking about... yup, men get that.

Personal happiness? Well, that ain't really societies bag. Everyone needs to sort that shit out on their own.

[Speaker to Animals]

You're free to engage charitably and actually respond to what I argued any time.

[K@th]

Personal happiness? Well, that ain't really societies bag. Everyone needs to sort that shit out on their own.

You are talking to a man who spends most of his life blaming others for his unhappiness. Permanent victim status. Of course he is going to blame society for his never ending bad mood.