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[Speaker to Animals]

Another way of looking at it is through agency. Masculinity is seen as agency whereas femininity is seen as hypoagency. Men are actors that exert their will upon the world, whereas women were traditionally objects which were acted upon. Feminism today capitalizes upon this hypoagency by casting women as perpetual victims of men.

You can't claim you are my equal and then pretend like you are merely a helpless victim when you fuck something up any more than you can claim you are my equal when the only reason you are sitting next to me is affirmative action.

[nmoore63]

Romans legionnaires charging off to get slaughtered by Persian Calvary feints were perfectly masculine.
Incompetent to be sure, but masculine none the less.

[Speaker to Animals]

Romans legionnaires charging off to get slaughtered by Persian Calvary feints were perfectly masculine.
Incompetent to be sure, but masculine none the less.

Competency at what?

A soldier's job was to follow orders and fight to the death. They did that.

The general who did that, Crassus, lost considerable honor due to that debacle. He was better off that he died than had he returned in disgrace. He's the one who is blamed for it. It was his call. His lack of competency at commanding armies in that campaign does not imply all the soldiers he commanded were incompetent.

[The Conservative]

Romans legionnaires charging off to get slaughtered by Persian Calvary feints were perfectly masculine.
Incompetent to be sure, but masculine none the less.

Competency at what?

A soldier's job was to follow orders and fight to the death. They did that.

The general who did that, Crassus, lost considerable honor due to that debacle. He was better off that he died than had he returned in disgrace. He's the one who is blamed for it. It was his call. His lack of competency at commanding armies in that campaign does not imply all the soldiers he commanded were incompetent.

Back then a General was more than just a title... so they trusted him more than they would be expected to do so today.

[nmoore63]

Romans legionnaires charging off to get slaughtered by Persian Calvary feints were perfectly masculine.
Incompetent to be sure, but masculine none the less.

Competency at what?

A soldier's job was to follow orders and fight to the death. They did that.

The general who did that, Crassus, lost considerable honor due to that debacle. He was better off that he died than had he returned in disgrace. He's the one who is blamed for it. It was his call. His lack of competency at commanding armies in that campaign does not imply all the soldiers he commanded were incompetent.

There are numerous examples of the men charging against a generals orders.

Their masculinity not making them competent.

Following orders isn’t inherently masculine.

[Speaker to Animals]

Romans legionnaires charging off to get slaughtered by Persian Calvary feints were perfectly masculine.
Incompetent to be sure, but masculine none the less.

Competency at what?

A soldier's job was to follow orders and fight to the death. They did that.

The general who did that, Crassus, lost considerable honor due to that debacle. He was better off that he died than had he returned in disgrace. He's the one who is blamed for it. It was his call. His lack of competency at commanding armies in that campaign does not imply all the soldiers he commanded were incompetent.

There are numerous examples of the men charging against a generals orders.

Their masculinity not making them competent.

Following orders isn’t inherently masculine.

So you think a soldier disobeying orders is masculinity??

[nmoore63]

So you think a soldier disobeying orders is masculinity??

Recklessly charging out to get slaughtered is certainly masculine.

Accepting a duel even if you know you are going to lose is masculine.

Obeying orders isn't inheritly masculine.

As the competency of having the discipline to be cool under fire. Well that kind of competency can be femine or masculine. Depends on the setting.

[Speaker to Animals]

I think you are trying to equate aggression with masculinity.

[nmoore63]

I think you are trying to equate aggression with masculinity.

Aggression isn't masculine?

Men have negative traits like aggression,

Women already naturally have to grapple with narcissism, just as men have to grapple with aggression,

I am telling you, women do not give a fuck about you in the abstract. They care about themselves and other women. It's not a moral failing on their part. It's genetic behavior. Just like our aggression and all the violent crime it engenders is not some moral failing on the part of men as a whole, but genetic baggage we carry.

[Speaker to Animals]

I think you are trying to equate aggression with masculinity.

Aggression isn't masculine?

Men have negative traits like aggression,

Women already naturally have to grapple with narcissism, just as men have to grapple with aggression,

I am telling you, women do not give a fuck about you in the abstract. They care about themselves and other women. It's not a moral failing on their part. It's genetic behavior. Just like our aggression and all the violent crime it engenders is not some moral failing on the part of men as a whole, but genetic baggage we carry.

It's a trait we share, but women have it too. They are just better at controlling or hiding it.

We tend to laugh at an aggressive woman we deem harmless. A large man shaving aggressively is different precisely because of his potential competence at violence. Masculinity makes aggression effective.

Women are the predominant domestic abusers, especiallychild abusers. They are not innocent snowflakes when it comes to aggression. At all. They just are not very competent at it.