DACA

[The Conservative]

Once again the entire argument is consistently framed from DACA point-of-view, never from the American point of view.
Any of you bleeding hearts ever consider why that is?
Ever ask yourself "Why do I always adopt the non-American viewpoint, and argue merits from that side?"

I suspect not.

I would, however, submit that that forced migration to America (via their illegal parents)was wrong for the DACA kids, and returning non-citizens to their homeland is right for the citizens of the host nation and those who took the pains to immigrate legally.
Thus we're actually looking at wrong + right = rightish.

But you guys never worry about the citizens of America, nor the immigrants who undertook the trials required for legal citizenship, do you?

I take the POV of a adult when it comes to kids. You don't take your anger, however righteous, out on kids. Plug the hole and deal with the kids already here like civilized human beings.

Ummm, no. That is what the parents were expecting with they migrated over here illegally with the kids in tow. They were told that something like that would happen. Fuck that, don't give them what they expected, anyway isn't it the Democrats that keep saying don't break up a family? So we don't, one goes back they all go back, and can legally attempt to come back into the country after a decade. If not, then sorry, not my circus, not my problem.

[Xenophon]

Once again the entire argument is consistently framed from DACA point-of-view, never from the American point of view.
Any of you bleeding hearts ever consider why that is?
Ever ask yourself "Why do I always adopt the non-American viewpoint, and argue merits from that side?"

I suspect not.

I would, however, submit that that forced migration to America (via their illegal parents)was wrong for the DACA kids, and returning non-citizens to their homeland is right for the citizens of the host nation and those who took the pains to immigrate legally.
Thus we're actually looking at wrong + right = rightish.

But you guys never worry about the citizens of America, nor the immigrants who undertook the trials required for legal citizenship, do you?

I take the POV of a adult when it comes to kids. You don't take your anger, however righteous, out on kids. Plug the hole and deal with the kids already here like civilized human beings.

Punishing those who break the law is uncivilized? These aren't all elementary schoolers, friend. These are Late teens to early twenties adults.

To be fair, they have 6 months to apply for citizenship, as far as I know. If they don't take advantage of it or find a way by then, then they can dream a little dream of me on the plane back to Guate.

[DBTrek]

I take the POV of a adult when it comes to kids. You don't take your anger, however righteous, out on kids. Plug the hole and deal with the kids already here like civilized human beings.

No - an adult doesn't assume ownership over other people's children.
That's what kidnappers do.
DACA kids have parents responsible for their health and welfare, and you are not them.

So if you're relying on the "adult" card to explain why you're assuming control over the children of others, and then abdicating all the costs and responsibility for your assumed child-seizure on to American society as a whole, you should probably rethink that strategy.
Nothing about that says "adult".

[MilSpecs]

If people want to change the present, then rewrite the existing laws. Otherwise, abide them. DREAM Act hasn't passed.

The worse possible answer here is to "leave things as they are" or worse, "don't implement the law" and "let them just be". Well, that would lead them in the limbo they are.

And lets not forget that DACA, the policy to "receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and eligibility for a work permit", isn't a solution either.

Agreed. Again, trump is right on forcing congress to deal with the issue.

[clubgop]

We need much stronger controls on immigration and I'm not opposed to deportation per se, but rounding up kids who are American in everything but paperwork and tossing them out to drown is beneath our dignity as a nation.

Beneath our dignity as a nation?
What nation?

You apparently believe we're simply a landmass to accessed by whomever, whenever.
Actual nations have borders.
Actual nations have citizens.
You don't believe in either of these things, so how you can comment on our "national dignity" remains a mystery.

(There it is folks, all DACA kids are orphans, and removing them from the US would instantly result in them "drowning" to death. Jesus.)

She is one of those that just can't be honest about thier position. She says those first 2 sentences and then comes out against whatever immigration controls come down the pike. She is as open borders as any open borders person is.

[clubgop]

If people want to change the present, then rewrite the existing laws. Otherwise, abide them. DREAM Act hasn't passed.

The worse possible answer here is to "leave things as they are" or worse, "don't implement the law" and "let them just be". Well, that would lead them in the limbo they are.

And lets not forget that DACA, the policy to "receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and eligibility for a work permit", isn't a solution either.

Agreed. Again, trump is right on forcing congress to deal with the issue.

Oh shit, how does it feel to be a neo-Nazi?

[MilSpecs]

Punishing those who break the law is uncivilized? These aren't all elementary schoolers, friend. These are Late teens to early twenties adults.

AKA kids. Most American kids would have no idea what do if dumped into the developing world. They'd be eaten alive.

[DBTrek]

Punishing those who break the law is uncivilized? These aren't all elementary schoolers, friend. These are Late teens to early twenties adults.

AKA kids. Most American kids would have no idea what do if dumped into the developing world. They'd be eaten alive.

Good thing, like DACA kids, they have parents, eh?

Or does that mess up your narrative too much?

[Fife]

Whatchoo mean, we can't have open borders AND a welfare state?



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[MilSpecs]

Punishing those who break the law is uncivilized? These aren't all elementary schoolers, friend. These are Late teens to early twenties adults.

AKA kids. Most American kids would have no idea what do if dumped into the developing world. They'd be eaten alive.

Good thing, like DACA kids, they have parents, eh?

So they can be comforted while their lives are destroyed?