Trump takes the fight to ISIS

[Martin Hash]

This keeps coming back to people wanting to make themselves the elites.

[Speaker to Animals]

This keeps coming back to people wanting to make themselves the elites.

Dude, about 90% of the population could theoretically enlist. We could find shit for most people to do that won't cause us much trouble. Hell, there was just a guy with a peg leg finishing a tour in Afghanistan. There is nothing elite about it. It's just the population of people who are willing to pay the cost in blood for their vote.

If you made enlistment the pre-requisite for enfranchisement, I guarantee you that most Americans would just choose not to vote, and that's reason enough for why they probably should not vote in the first place.

I'd just be content to bring back the draft for EVERYBODY who wants to vote and have them sign up at 18. If you don't want to vote, then don't sign up for the draft. Seems pretty simple to me.

[nmoore63]

How about this: in principle, people ought only be able to vote on matters in which they both have a stake and are willing to sacrifice; i.e. nobody who is exempt from getting press-ganged into cannon fodder ought to be able to vote to order other people to be pressed-ganged into cannon fodder. Women don't have any business voting until they have to pay for the consequences of their votes.

And only women should be allowed to vote on abortion.

Well, if you want to play that game, then theoretically only unborn babies should be able to vote on abortion, since they are the ones losing their lives. But they can't, so I think we probably should assume that, once they mature to the age of reason, they would vote FUCK NO to being aborted.

That's actually the worst possible quip you could make and is exactly the problem with women voting. They don't largely pay any of the consequences for their votes. They vote to extract wealth from men. They vote to send men to die in useless wars. Women as a group are a net loss to the tax coffers of this country because of this and the endless wars fomented by the "strong women" like Hillary Clinton don't help either.

Women and their beta allies assume that because something affects women it's the same as their having a real stake in the vote. That's not correct. What we mean by this is that the person should actually have to pay the costs of their vote, not receive the benefit.

You’re right.

Only those net positive paying taxes in a given year should be allowed to in that year.

Let’s make it happen.

[Speaker to Animals]

And only women should be allowed to vote on abortion.

Well, if you want to play that game, then theoretically only unborn babies should be able to vote on abortion, since they are the ones losing their lives. But they can't, so I think we probably should assume that, once they mature to the age of reason, they would vote FUCK NO to being aborted.

That's actually the worst possible quip you could make and is exactly the problem with women voting. They don't largely pay any of the consequences for their votes. They vote to extract wealth from men. They vote to send men to die in useless wars. Women as a group are a net loss to the tax coffers of this country because of this and the endless wars fomented by the "strong women" like Hillary Clinton don't help either.

Women and their beta allies assume that because something affects women it's the same as their having a real stake in the vote. That's not correct. What we mean by this is that the person should actually have to pay the costs of their vote, not receive the benefit.

You’re right.

Only those net positive paying taxes in a given year should be allowed to in that year.

Let’s make it happen.

That's actually not a bad idea either, but it probably applies more to the states.

I think, the way our nation is organized, we'd be better off backing off all the expanded powers of the government so that it only deals with war and foreign affairs again. Put all this other social stuff back in the hands of the state. In that case, let veterans vote in the federal government, net tax payers vote in state elections, and property owners vote in county and municipal elections. If you apply the principle top to bottom, that's pretty much how it would work out.

[Speaker to Animals]

I think a lot of you realize the problem with people who don't pay taxes voting for ever more resources to be handed to them after it is seized from the people who do pay taxes.

That's just the smaller example of the problem. The biggest example is a class of privileged people voting to send the other class to die in endless wars the privileged class is exempt from fighting. That's a fucking terrible idea. It always was.

[nmoore63]

I don’t know why but I have this wierd feeling that you would still be screaching about women voting even if they signed up for selective service.

Call it a hunch.

[Speaker to Animals]

I don’t know why but I have this wierd feeling that you would still be screaching about women voting even if they signed up for selective service.

Call it a hunch.

I call it an admission you know I am right and the only tactic you have left is to be an asshole.

[nmoore63]

I don’t know why but I have this wierd feeling that you would still be screaching about women voting even if they signed up for selective service.

Call it a hunch.

I call it an admission you know I am right and the only tactic you have left is to be an asshole.

Nah.
I mean maybe I didn’t have to say it quite that way, but the point is true.

I don’t believe if you were to say that women signing up for the selective service would end your resistance to them having the right to vote.

[Fife]

tell em nuke

[Speaker to Animals]

I don’t know why but I have this wierd feeling that you would still be screaching about women voting even if they signed up for selective service.

Call it a hunch.

I call it an admission you know I am right and the only tactic you have left is to be an asshole.

Nah.
I mean maybe I didn’t have to say it quite that way, but the point is true.

I don’t believe if you were to say that women signing up for the selective service would end your resistance to them having the right to vote.

Yeah, it pretty well would. But in general, I would prefer enfranchisement to be had after completion of an enlistment. So once you put all women on the draft, and established real punitive consequences for trying to escape it, the next course of action would be to limit enfranchisement in the federal government only to veterans, but that wouldn't really have anything to do with gender.

I do like the idea of limiting enfranchisement at the state level to people who are net tax payers and enfranchisement at the local level to people who own property. It seems pretty clear that the problem here is widespread of people voting for other people to suffer for their benefit.

If you vote for war, then you should have to muster and fight the damned thing if you are eligible.

If you vote for some new social program, then you should have to pay for it out of your income taxes.

If you vote for more property taxes for something, then you should at least own property and pay property taxes.

I don't think these things should be controversial, but once you get to the part about drafting women, the cucks come out in force to protect that pedestal.