What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

[Xenophon]

You need me to explain supply and demand for you?

I just assumed your assertion that mitigating illegal immigration would cause societal collapse was based on something other than your wild musings. If that's not the case, I'll leave you to your frothing at the mouth.

[SuburbanFarmer]

You need me to explain supply and demand for you?

I just assumed your assertion that mitigating illegal immigration would cause societal collapse was based on something other than your wild musings. If that's not the case, I'll leave you to your frothing at the mouth.

We can certainly go further in depth. Please choose a link in that chain to attack. Where do you think I'm wrong, or that something will go differently?

[Cid]

Cities are a drop in the bucket, my home state of Texas has long played fast and loose with this to bump up representation. Its partly why Perry felt the need to have his own version of Obama dreamers.

[Okeefenokee]

Nobody. Nobody wants to climb ladders or hunch over in 90 degree heat to pick fucking oranges

Wrong. You'd know you were wrong if you had any experience in what you're talking about. I happen to have experience. I know there are plenty of people who are more than willing to do the work that illegals are hired to do. Seen it with my own eyes my whole life.

'tis a myth that you trafficking defenders present where they're doing the jobs no one wants. I grew up climbing ladders. My dad did it for forty years. Nearly everyone he grew up with spent a large part of their lives doing it.

You don't see it, because you want to believe it really bad, but you're coming off like a slavery apologist right now, arguing for what is obviously the abuse of the vulnerable for the benefit of you and yours, at the expense of other Americans who you've conveniently decided don't exist.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Nobody. Nobody wants to climb ladders or hunch over in 90 degree heat to pick fucking oranges

Wrong. You'd know you were wrong if you had any experience in what you're talking about. I happen to have experience. I know there are plenty of people who are more than willing to do the work that illegals are hired to do. Seen it with my own eyes my whole life.

'tis a myth that you trafficking defenders present where they're doing the jobs no one wants. I grew up climbing ladders. My dad did it for forty years. Nearly everyone he grew up with spent a large part of their lives doing it.

You don't see it, because you want to believe it really bad, but you're coming off like a slavery apologist right now, arguing for what is obviously the abuse of the vulnerable for the benefit of you and yours, at the expense of other Americans who you've conveniently decided don't exist.

Your dad worked an orange field for 40 years? Or just did something involving ladders?

I'm quite sure that I know the answer.

[Ex-California]

We are only like 75-80 years removed from the Dust Bowl and all of the American migrant workers from that period. Do you really think that industriousness is lost? People deal with working at fast food places and Wal-Mart for minimum wage, why would you think they wouldn't want to be outside for the same wages?

[SuburbanFarmer]

We are only like 75-80 years removed from the Dust Bowl and all of the American migrant workers from that period. Do you really think that industriousness is lost? People deal with working at fast food places and Wal-Mart for minimum wage, why would you think they wouldn't want to be outside for the same wages?

If they wanted to, they'd be doing it. Nobody wants "jobs", they want "Gud Jobs".
And even if they paid all of their workers minimum wage, on the books, farmers would have to jack the price of everything. Granted, it wouldn't be the apocalypse, but it would sting.

You will never get millions of Americans to work as hard as a desperate Mexican for desperate Mexican wages - or even for minimum wage. They'd be fools to do it. Nobody can live on that shit in our economy, without lowering their standard of living to illegal immigrant style - not an option for most, and the government will pay you more than that to sit on your ass.

[Atherzon]

You need me to explain supply and demand for you?

I just assumed your assertion that mitigating illegal immigration would cause societal collapse was based on something other than your wild musings. If that's not the case, I'll leave you to your frothing at the mouth.

We can certainly go further in depth. Please choose a link in that chain to attack. Where do you think I'm wrong, or that something will go differently?

How about:

Most of the grocery store goes away, and you are eating some very expensive bread, or meat.

The production of bread and meat do not involve climbing ladders or backbreaking labor in the sun. Well, not at the industrial level that most of our food is produced at. The farming of wheat, corn, and other grains has been all but completely mechanized for about a 100 years. Raising, slaughtering, and processing cattle, chickens, pigs, etc. is not "hard work", either. Similarly, most citrus and apple harvesting is mechanized.

There are some agricultural products that are still most-economically harvested by hand, but they don't make up the bulk of our diet, and a shortage of those products would not result in a Mad Max scenario.

[clubgop]

You need me to explain supply and demand for you?

No, but you need to explain hunching over to pick something that grows in a tree.

[Okeefenokee]

GCF, you don't know anything about what you are talking about. You don't. Clearly. If you did, you wouldn't be trotting out this bullshit myth that no one wants those jobs. Americans have been doing those jobs for centuries. It's an absolutely asinine assertion.

How you elitist hating lefties can't see through this smoke screen is beyond me. Why do think all the factories are in China? Is that because no one wanted to do those jobs either? Wake up.