Unite the Right

[Smitty-48]

I really thought that the cynical reason was to keep the British from joining the war and to be the South's allies.

That's what I just said, see, "the South" was not an entity as far as the British were concerned, post 1833 America was in the camp with Spain and Portugal, the Slaving Empires, which the British had formed an industrialized Anti-Slavery Coalition against, and so America was on the wrong side of the line, but with Emancipation, America was basically saying that they were coming over to the industrialized Anti Slavery Coaltion and so would be Britians de facto allies instead of an adversary, and that's how the British saw it, although, they were never actually keen to get involved in the first place, the Southron's in the end were barking up the wrong tree from the begining, deluding themselves that the British gave a rats ass about Dixie when it was not in any way of British critical interest.

Canadians sided with Dixie, because Canadians were inherent anti-Yankee Loyalist Americans, the Yankees the great menace to the south, but back in London, nobody gave a shit, and they were not at all keen to have to come over and defend Canada from the Yankees, which is what they would have had to do, if they had sided with Dixie.

Canada like Britain didn't really do anything to help the South. They may have allowed them to cross their borders but they also allowed many Union members to cross over to. In other words, Canda didn't act anything other than a neutral country (if you want to call them even a country at the time).

Well if not a fully independent country in the Westphalian sense, the Canada's were by this point a de facto nation, and it was actually the Civil War and the fear of dem Yankees as suddenly Eagles with Thunderbolts in Talons Grasped in the wake of it, which incited Canadian Confederation into a formally Westphalian entity with its own Parliament, and the British were keen to hand the keys over to the Canadians, because the British did not want to have to defend it from America, they wanted Canada to be indepedent in order to defend itself.

As to helping the Confederates, there's nothing Canada could do to help them in a military sense, but at the time, the Confederates were being celebrated by the Canadian Street, as the brave Southrons fighting against the Yankee invaders, which the Canada's had suffered once as well in 1812, although thankfully, we won that one and lived to tell the tale, so no Lost Cause for us, but still sympathetic to our poor cousins down South being set upon by them Yankee tyrants.

[Okeefenokee]

I thought that Gangs of New York took place in 1846 to 1862 and they depicted the Draft Riots.

You are correct

Yeah, but Okee is saying that it was some other riot that I never heard of.

sigh, you're both wrong. read better.

The New York draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racial insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]

U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops from following up after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free blacks competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking blacks throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]

The military did not reach the city until after the first day of rioting, by which time the mobs, primarily ethnic Irish, had already ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]

The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many blacks left Manhattan permanently (many moving to Brooklyn). By 1865 their population fell below 10,000, the number in 1820.

The Emancipation Proclamation of January 1863 alarmed much of the working class in New York, who feared that freed slaves would migrate to the city and add further competition to the labor market. There had already been tensions between black and white workers since the 1850s, particularly at the docks. In March 1863, white longshoremen had refused to work with blacks and rioted, attacking 200 black men. In this area of the city, there were a variety of interracial venues of brothels and bars, and neighborhoods were mixed in terms of residents. Men competed as hacks (carriage drivers), craftsmen, and in other jobs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

[Fife]

But rassiss.

[Penner]

Gangs of New York depicted the Draft Riots:

[Smitty-48]

Oh and another reason why Canadians were not sympathetic to Emancipation is the same reason that the vast majority of Americans living in the Union were not sympathetic to it, because like them, Canadians also feared that if the slaves were all suddenly freed at once, they would simply come north, flooding the market with dirt cheap labour in ghettos, while, again; "running amok a rapin' and a pillagin' on the white women!"

[Okeefenokee]

Gangs of New York depicted the Draft Riots:

The new york draft riots depicted in the film, where blacks were hunted down and killed in the streets, happened in 1863, after emancipation.

Learn

to

read.

[TheReal_ND]

Please tell me this is just a meme....

Nah that's standard fare for him. He always says things like that.

Satire or sarcasm? If not, that is pretty messed-up.

A little of both. He's not that bad a guy I've listened to him talk. He's just fully radicalized against the left and other peoples. He took a stray kitten into his home last weekend. He got along great with Nigerians in prison. He's just racist.

Frankly, the left does that kind of thing all the time. I don't understand why we need to hold ourselves up to some false moral equivalency.

[Smitty-48]

Also should point out, that once freed, the blacks did come north and flood the market with dirt cheap labour in ghettoes, which did cause a backlash, which did entrench white supremacy in all of America, not just Dixie, for another hundred years at least, although in the depths of the Great Depression, the New Dealers did toss the blacks under the bus, throwing them out of their jobs in order to employ white people instead, the blacks being saved, just like everyone else, only by World War Two industrial production.

[Penner]

Gangs of New York depicted the Draft Riots:

The new york draft riots depicted in the film, where blacks were hunted down and killed in the streets, happened in 1863, after emancipation.

Learn

to

read.

Actually, you were the one trying to say that this was some riot by longshore men and that this wasn't the Draft Riots.

[katarn]

Nah that's standard fare for him. He always says things like that.

Satire or sarcasm? If not, that is pretty messed-up.

A little of both. He's not that bad a guy I've listened to him talk. He's just fully radicalized against the left and other peoples. He took a stray kitten into his home last weekend. He got along great with Nigerians in prison. He's just racist.

Frankly, the left does that kind of thing all the time. I don't understand why we need to hold ourselves up to some false moral equivalency.

I can understand your sentiments, but to me, fighting fire with fire doesn't douse anything. It's trite, but I believe in avoiding stooping to their level, being (morally at least) better than them.