North Korea News

[Smitty-48]

China and Russia have survivable second strike as well, so just another reason why a preemption of Pyongyang would not be in anyway a launch on warning use them or lose them scenario for the Russians nor Chinese, even if it did spook em' a bit.

And spookin' em a bit? Not necessarily a bad thing, don't want them getting too cocky and thinking they can just run amok with NATO or in the China Seas.

[SuburbanFarmer]

China would only get involved if we launched a massive nuclear strike on the North Koreans (that affects their territory) or we invade the place.

I don't think they would get involved if we carry out very limited air and naval strikes to destroy the NK nuclear weapons program. We might be able to get away with some special forces landing there, but I wouldn't risk it unless it's critical.

Where shit gets ugly is if North Korea launches a wildly successful attack on CONUS (like most of us get knocked out by an EMP, which I think is what they are aiming for). Then China and Russia could be quite tempted to strike.

Because our entire military infrastructure is vulnerable to a fucking EMP, and we couldn't possibly manage to launch our thousands of warheads on Russia and China, because they're just dying to vaporize all of us, and the fucking Mexicans too and JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THE MUSLIMS ARE HERE GET THE GUNS MARTHA!!!!

weak shit.

GCF, StA apparently is forgetting that we have a number of subs that can launch nukes. So no StA I don't think China and/or Russia would be tempted to commit suicide.

No dood, you don't understand... THEY"RE ALL GOING TO FAIL!!! Or maybe our subs are too secret for them to know about.. or wait - I got it. THE RUSSIANS WILL SINK THEM ALL AND THEN NUKE US!

[StCapps]

When it comes down to choice between spooking the Russians and the Chinese and letting NK threaten the CONUS with Redwings, the choice is rather obvious.

[SuburbanFarmer]

When it comes down to choice between spooking the Russians and the Chinese and letting NK threaten the CONUS with Redwings, the choice is rather obvious.

The "Spooking" of a pre-emptive nuclear strike would go miles beyond Russia and China. We would instantly become Target #1 for the entire world.

It actually occurs to me that this is similar to the choice faced by the Germans in WW1... You face a hypothetical threat that you can't counter (in theory), so you kick off the biggest mass slaughter in history. The end result of which is the firebombing of Berlin, and mass destruction of your country. The result here would be the same, and we're not nearly so helpless as 1913 Germany.

[StCapps]

We would instantly become Target #1 for the entire world.

You already are. Yawn.

[Smitty-48]

When it comes down to choice between spooking the Russians and the Chinese and letting NK threaten the CONUS with Redwings, the choice is rather obvious.

Thing is, if the NK's get to Redwings over the CONUS and a subsequent Korean Missile Crisis therein, with no counterforce option and so winding itself up to the brink with no offramps?

That actually increases the chances of the US, China and Russia coming to blows, exponentially, when America gets to backs against the wall with no viable counterforce options for realz rather than no viable counterforce options rhetorical.

So again, whistling past the graveyard of escalatory theater proliferation, does not make things safer in the mid to long, quite the opposite in fact.

[StCapps]

The end result of which is the firebombing of Berlin, and mass destruction of your country. The result here would be the same, and we're not nearly so helpless as 1913 Germany.

America is much better positioned to fight a world war than Germany was in 1913, and preempting NK would not lead to WWIII, if done properly. If Russia and China go to mattresses for NK, then they are going to come out of it worse than US does, bet that.

[Ex-California]

Live and in the flesh, scroll through the following subs

https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/

Here's a dedicated thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapit ... rth_korea/

i literally lol'd

[Ex-California]

Half-a-dozen posts about socialism, with a fascist set of ban rules? I don't get it...

I got banned for simply being a member of other subs

[Smitty-48]

The end result of which is the firebombing of Berlin, and mass destruction of your country. The result here would be the same, and we're not nearly so helpless as 1913 Germany.

America is much better positioned to fight a world war than Germany was in 1913, and preempting NK would not lead to WWIII, if done properly. If Russia and China go to mattresses for NK, then they are going to come out of it worse than US does, bet that.

The Russians actually fear and loathe China, and they're none too fond of Pyongyang neither, if there wasn't a risk of tipping the NK's off, the Russians could be bought off quid pro quo, but that could be done post facto, after you shaq the NK Redwings, then you bring the Russians in and talk turkey, now the Chinese are going to be more upset, but there's an oppotunity to peel the Russians off from China, and get them onside, which, would require giving them something, lift sanctions, recognize Crimea, withdraw missile defense from their frontier, but in fact, I don't see any of those sorts of things actually being of critical interest to the Americans, nor even NATO really.

Sanctions, missile defense, going to the matresses over Crimea, trying to drive them out of Syria, etcetera, that's all folly anyways, so no big deal to give them that.