Unite the Right

[Smitty-48]

It's really no coincidence that the Yankees have gone on to essentially buy out the British Empire to try to run it for themselves, from Arabia to Afghanistan, and Fort Sumter is the moment where they flipped on the American Revolution and adopted the British Imperial position vis a vis self determination, and they've been Quasi British Imperialists ever since.

[Fife]

There were riots in the north after the war's purpose was restated to be emancipation.

NIMBY

[Speaker to Animals]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

It was not the federal government's prerogative to decide that states could not leave the union.

[Penner]

There was no federal overreach. Lincoln was just elected and they freaked out because he was an abolitionist (and I would like to point out Lincoln was more about gradual/generational abolishment). the South took up arms against their own countrymen because Lincoln won.

As with choosing state over his country- he was a military man he should've sided with his country. But you are right, the Civil War was the movement that redefined America. Instead of "well, do I choose my state or my country" it became, "country over state". Still again, their is this group of people that just want to to revert back to "my state" or whatever and want to dissovle the coutnry.

Lincoln was no abolitionist at the start of the war. He thought slavery was evil, and an embarassment to American values, but not really an abolitionist. I know that's what your parenthetical phrase was intended to portray, but it's worth highlighting. Emancipation only became an idea during the war as a way to weaken the South. Of course, it was a weird idea to the Confederates that Lincoln was trying to issue laws to another country.

At the start, Lincoln said that the war was about preserving the Union (which is what it was being fought for by the North, almost no one wanted Abolition enough to got to war over), and that if he could do it without touching slavery in the South, he would.

There were riots in the north after the war's purpose was restated to be emancipation.

The only riot that I can think of that happened during the Civil War and in the Union, were the NY Draft Riots but that had to do with drafting Irish immigrants (right off the boat) and into the army.

[Smitty-48]

Also should point out that the Yankee position against slavery was exactly the same as the British Imperial position against it, it's not that Yankees cared about African liberty anymore than the British, it was simply that the Yankees were industrializing which made slavery moot, but their competitor was still reliant upon it, so they assumed a cynical position against it, in the same manner as the British did vis a vis Spain and Portugal.

Mind you, the Yankees didn't actually play this card at Fort Sumter, they simply rejected democratic self determination as being legitimate and then invoked might makes right in the face of it.

[Okeefenokee]

Lincoln was no abolitionist at the start of the war. He thought slavery was evil, and an embarassment to American values, but not really an abolitionist. I know that's what your parenthetical phrase was intended to portray, but it's worth highlighting. Emancipation only became an idea during the war as a way to weaken the South. Of course, it was a weird idea to the Confederates that Lincoln was trying to issue laws to another country.

At the start, Lincoln said that the war was about preserving the Union (which is what it was being fought for by the North, almost no one wanted Abolition enough to got to war over), and that if he could do it without touching slavery in the South, he would.

There were riots in the north after the war's purpose was restated to be emancipation.

The only riot that I can think of that happened during the Civil War and in the Union, were the NY Draft Riots but that had to do with drafting Irish immigrants (right off the boat) and into the army.

The Emancipation Proclamation of January 1863 alarmed much of the working class in New York, who feared that freed slaves would migrate to the city and add further competition to the labor market. There had already been tensions between black and white workers since the 1850s, particularly at the docks. In March 1863, white longshoremen had refused to work with blacks and rioted, attacking 200 black men. In this area of the city, there were a variety of interracial venues of brothels and bars, and neighborhoods were mixed in terms of residents. Men competed as hacks (carriage drivers), craftsmen, and in other jobs.

Rioters turned against black people as their scapegoats, viewing free black men as competition for scarce jobs, and worried about more slaves being emancipated and coming to New York for work.[9] The mob beat, tortured and/or killed numerous blacks, including one man who was attacked by a crowd of 400 with clubs and paving stones, then lynched, hanged from a tree and set alight.[13]

The Colored Orphan Asylum at 43rd Street and Fifth Avenue, a "symbol of white charity to blacks and of black upward mobility"[9] that then provided shelter for 233 children, was attacked by a mob at around 4 p.m. A mob of several thousand, including many women and children, looted the building of its food and supplies. However, the police were able to secure the orphanage for enough time to allow the orphans to escape before the building burned down.[18] Throughout the areas of rioting, mobs attacked and killed at least 120 black people, and destroyed their known homes and businesses, such as James McCune Smith's pharmacy at 93 West Broadway, believed to be the first owned by a black man in the United States.

Raise your hand if you're surprised fakenews didn't know about this.

[Penner]

There were riots in the north after the war's purpose was restated to be emancipation.

The only riot that I can think of that happened during the Civil War and in the Union, were the NY Draft Riots but that had to do with drafting Irish immigrants (right off the boat) and into the army.

The Emancipation Proclamation of January 1863 alarmed much of the working class in New York, who feared that freed slaves would migrate to the city and add further competition to the labor market. There had already been tensions between black and white workers since the 1850s, particularly at the docks. In March 1863, white longshoremen had refused to work with blacks and rioted, attacking 200 black men. In this area of the city, there were a variety of interracial venues of brothels and bars, and neighborhoods were mixed in terms of residents. Men competed as hacks (carriage drivers), craftsmen, and in other jobs.

Rioters turned against black people as their scapegoats, viewing free black men as competition for scarce jobs, and worried about more slaves being emancipated and coming to New York for work.[9] The mob beat, tortured and/or killed numerous blacks, including one man who was attacked by a crowd of 400 with clubs and paving stones, then lynched, hanged from a tree and set alight.[13]

The Colored Orphan Asylum at 43rd Street and Fifth Avenue, a "symbol of white charity to blacks and of black upward mobility"[9] that then provided shelter for 233 children, was attacked by a mob at around 4 p.m. A mob of several thousand, including many women and children, looted the building of its food and supplies. However, the police were able to secure the orphanage for enough time to allow the orphans to escape before the building burned down.[18] Throughout the areas of rioting, mobs attacked and killed at least 120 black people, and destroyed their known homes and businesses, such as James McCune Smith's pharmacy at 93 West Broadway, believed to be the first owned by a black man in the United States.

Raise your hand if you're surprised fakenews didn't know about this.

Again, I never heard of this riot.

[Okeefenokee]

Did you see Gangs of New York? They put it in the movie.

[Smitty-48]

Well this of course is why the Yankees at first invoked "preserving the Union" as their rubric for might makes right against democratic self determination, because people in the Union were not only not in favour of emancipation, they feared it, primarily fearing that once emancitpated...

"all dem niggahs is gonna come up here and take ar jawbs, and run amok a raping and a pillagin' on our white women!"

So the Yankees didn't actually have the nerve to invoke emancipation as their rubric until they got really desperate in wake of Sharpsburg at Antietam Creek.

[Okeefenokee]

Just take a minute to appreciate this.

The Civil War was about state's rights.

Yeah, the right to own slaves.

The riots were about the draft.

Yeah, being drafted into a war to free slaves.