Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Don't be such a dishonest hack. You know the problem well. They control the media, the government schools, the universities, and most of the government. They go out of their way to ruin the livelihoods of men who speak out against it. The only way men can really speak against it is anonymously on the Internet (for now), and even then when they get doxxed their lives are ruined. Look at what happened to that autist at Google who simply published the facts about women in the workplace within a private memo that later was disseminated. The memo was predicated on how to increase "diversity" -- he was on their side -- but they went after him anyway because he was a male who spoke uncomfortable truths. The situation we find ourselves in today as men is really fucking horrible. Wait till you get your children stolen from you and you get enslaved to the bitch because she wants to empower herself. These are all consequences of the cultural marxism that infected American society starting in the 1960s. The Marxists called this the "Long March through the institutions". I hope we gas them in the end, quite honestly.

Most men are feminized because of this. They have no concept of fraternity, loyalty, or brotherhood whatsoever. It's just eating away society like advanced social cancer. Every fucking day I encounter men who's entire self-worth is built around whether women approve of them and how great a utility they are to females. I don't think many of you realize how fucking far from natural this is.

As far as attempts for online fraternity.. the pagans are doing that now. Go search up the "heathen community" in the context of tribalism. It's happening now in a very low-key way. A lot of men are already checking out of the system. MGTOW is another example of men saying fuck it and checking out of the system. MGTOW is not just men saying fuck off to marriage and longterm relationships with women. It's also a giant fuck you to the corporate culture.

Accepting all that as true, the solution is well within the power of any dissatisfied man. Male bonding isn't contingent on speaking some sort of truth about our oppression at the hands of the broads. What self-respecting man wants to do that for a hobby? Complaining about how unfair life is, or asking society to provide contentment all wrapped up for us? No deeper meaning to be found there, guaran-fucking-teed.

I get that men aren't encouraged to expend time and energy forming meaningful platonic relationships with each other, but guess what, you don't have to do what you are encouraged to do. It is more fun to be a dissident anyway.

I am a huge supporter of masculine bonding time, no homo. Join an MMA gym or a Judo or BJJ club, they are great for that. Know where you can find a shitload of those with different price points to suit just about any man? Fucking cities.

This rural isolationism, men going their own way to pout bullshit is just making this problem of a lack of fraternity worse, because fraternity isn't something you can telecommute to.

Hence the dating-style app. Find cool dudes in your area with your hobbies. Bam, new hunting buddy, and maybe they will want to talk shit on feminists to boot, so bonus, but I wouldn't open with that.

Plus, since "they" own the media, loads of free press to generate new users for BroFinder, as Atlantic, Slate, and Salon articles about its inherent toxicity proliferate.

You are attempting to deflect my criticism of society by shitting all over me personally and implying I am less of a man. What you are doing is exactly the kind of shitty feminized behavior I was talking about.

Let's keep this about society and not try to insult each other when we have no response to an argument.

Society can't solve the problem of men not bonding. But men certainly can.

And cities provide ample opportunities for male bonding.

Let's not take everything so personally that we completely fail to see the arguments presented.

[Speaker to Animals]

Left to their own, men would be just fine. It's the government, media, schools, etc. that are maintaining this.

It isn't just about "bonding" either. I am talking about what is required to maintain a civilization.

[Speaker to Animals]

Looked at another way..

We now begin to see men checking out of corporate life. They are not showing up to universities at nearly the same rates as in the past (women are dominating university enrollment and receive most of the benefits to do so).

But it's men who provide most of the innovation. Even there, in a technological society, it's mainly white and Asian men, and we have a society that is making universities and corporations such poisonous environments for white men in particular that it really makes no sense for a young man to aspire to such a life.

What happens as this trend continues, and places like Google increase the gender studies freak employment and the employment of normal males who do all the actual innovation declines? What happens when that is seen across society?

None of this can sustain.

For a civilization to continue, most of the males have to receive some benefit from it. If not, they start to opt out of it first, but eventually that becomes open hostility and fragmentation as happened in late antiquity.

[Speaker to Animals]

And, no, it's not "hate" to point out the demonstrable fact that women's happiness really doesn't matter to the longevity of a civilization. It only matters when a sufficient number of men make it an issue. There can be a civilization that treats all women as chattel and women are not going to be able to do anything about it on their own. It ALWAYS comes down to what men want and what they are willing to fight for. There is nothing hateful about saying this. I do not advocate treating women as less than our equals by pointing out this simple truth.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Left to their own, men would be just fine. It's the government, media, schools, etc. that are maintaining this.

It isn't just about "bonding" either. I am talking about what is required to maintain a civilization.

What do you care if civilization is maintained? You are always going on about how fine men would be in tribes without oppressive, feminised government ruining everything for them.

[Speaker to Animals]

Left to their own, men would be just fine. It's the government, media, schools, etc. that are maintaining this.

It isn't just about "bonding" either. I am talking about what is required to maintain a civilization.

What do you care if civilization is maintained? You are always going on about how fine men would be in tribes without oppressive, feminised government ruining everything for them.

What do I care?

I like being able to go to the grocery store and purchasing vegetables from around the world, any season, and cheap. I like having electricity. I like having police and fire services. I will be going to the library later to try to work on writing. Oh, and later tonight I can go to the gym. On the roads which are clean, maintained, and patrolled. Everybody stays in their lanes too.

I don't want to tear this shit to the ground. I want to reverse the decline before it's too late. And we ARE in a decline.

The same feeling of belonging that will eventually draw men into the periphery of society is what also holds civilization together. If civilization fails to deliver, males are joining gangs.

What is a gang if not an alternative society (a true counterculture) to the civilization that has disenfranchised males from any meaningful participation? When you dump a shit ton of blacks in ghettos, deprive them of an education, lock them out of voting with criminal convictions, don't allow them to get on welfare, don't allow them to get decent jobs.. they tend to join gangs because gangs offer them what civilization failed to offer. That sort of thing will only increase if this continues and it won't just be minorities in the inner cities.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Left to their own, men would be just fine. It's the government, media, schools, etc. that are maintaining this.

It isn't just about "bonding" either. I am talking about what is required to maintain a civilization.

What do you care if civilization is maintained? You are always going on about how fine men would be in tribes without oppressive, feminised government ruining everything for them.

What do I care?

I like being able to go to the grocery store and purchasing vegetables from around the world, any season, and cheap. I like having electricity. I like having police and fire services. I will be going to the library later to try to work on writing. Oh, and later tonight I can go to the gym. On the roads which are clean, maintained, and patrolled. Everybody stays in their lanes too.

I don't want to tear this shit to the ground. I want to reverse the decline before it's too late. And we ARE in a decline.

As far as I can tell, grocery stores, libraries, gyms, and civil services are still functioning, and you can avail yourself of all of them, even though MSNBC might be saying something mean about dudes and exaggerating the qualities of chicks.

Wealth is still increasing around the world, and personal violence is still decreasing. Technological innovations are still being pumped out without any sign of stopping.

Everyone here has the personal freedom to pursue whatever non-material edification they like.

If you have a shred of evidence that society is collapsing other than the fact that degenerates get to run around doing shit you don't like, I would be curious to see it.

[Speaker to Animals]

Straw man.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Civilization is collapsing because of reasons.

Please provide any evidence whatsoever that this is the case.

Straw man!

I don't often use this one, because it is dismissive an impolite, but:

[Speaker to Animals]

Civilization is collapsing because of reasons.

Please provide any evidence whatsoever that this is the case.

Straw man!

I don't often use this one, because it is dismissive an impolite, but:

I already provided them. You ignored them, proceeded to straw man and, when called out on it, you demand the reasons you damned well know you keep ignoring. If I repost them, you will just repeat the cycle: ignore the argument, engage in questioning person's masculinity, resort to straw man, demand reasons you ignore again, repeat. /yawn