Europe, the not boring thread

[SuburbanFarmer]

My beef isn't that the government doesn't want to pay - its that the government is preventing the parents from spending their own money on an experimental procedure.....critical reading is apparently becoming a lost art.

We've been through this already. The doctors are acting on behalf of the child so it doesn't go through any more pointless treatments. The child has no prospect of recovery, even the private clinic who want to experiment on him admit this. He is never going to wake up even after treatment. It is stopping a clinic from exploiting the parent's unwillingness to let go for large amounts of money.

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While that's morally correct, it's not the place of the state to determine that.

[Zlaxer]

While that's morally correct, it's not the place of the state to determine that.

Glad to see you're not a full blown Monty......The state has no fuckin say here - if the parent want to spend the $$$ let them. No harm can come to the kid - he's fucking unconscious....worst/best case, he regains consciousness....he has absolutely nothing to loose.

Something has happened to the Brits - they are not the people they once were....

[Fife]

No harm can come to the kid - he's fucking unconscious....worst/best case, he regains consciousness....he has absolutely nothing to loose.

Are you still laboring under the delusion that "the kid" is the object of the state's "healthcare" system?

[Zlaxer]

No harm can come to the kid - he's fucking unconscious....worst/best case, he regains consciousness....he has absolutely nothing to loose.

Are you still laboring under the delusion that "the kid" is the object of the state's "healthcare" system?

No - read the posts

Merely poking a whole in the State's narrative.....I get what's going on....

[Fife]

I was trying to be funny. Apparently I was more funny-strange than funny-haha. Now you funny too.

[Zlaxer]

I was trying to be funny. Apparently I was more funny-strange than funny-haha. Now you funny too.

Sorry - went over my head....

[Speaker to Animals]

The doctors are agents of the state. When they don't get their way, or something is going to threaten their lucrative deal with the tax payers, they face a might big temptation to abuse the power of the state to inflict violence and coercion on innocent people.

I see this here in America with the VA as well.

Socialized medicine itself is a really fucking bad idea.

Single-payer has problems too, but it at least removes that coercive element from the equation (other than being coerced to pay for it, anyway).

[Speaker to Animals]

I'd also add that any father who has been through the family court process knows how easy it is for agents of the state to decide on a whim that your children are their property and their will overrides your own.

Putting state violence like that into people's lives is a really bad idea all around.

It's often the liberals and marxists who applaud and support it too. Look at Monty deciding that these parents have no business taking their own child to a different medical institution for a different treatment.. Wow.

[SuburbanFarmer]

While that's morally correct, it's not the place of the state to determine that.

Glad to see you're not a full blown Monty......The state has no fuckin say here - if the parent want to spend the $$$ let them. No harm can come to the kid - he's fucking unconscious....worst/best case, he regains consciousness....he has absolutely nothing to loose.

Something has happened to the Brits - they are not the people they once were....

I agree with him on most things, and I'd never expect the State system to pay for shipping the kid around or covering the procedure.

But every patient has the right to refuse care. This is a violation of the Hippocratic oath.

[Fife]

I'd also add that any father who has been through the family court process knows how easy it is for agents of the state to decide on a whim that your children are their property and their will overrides your own.

Putting state violence like that into people's lives is a really bad idea all around.

It's often the liberals and marxists who applaud and support it too. Look at Monty deciding that these parents have no business taking their own child to a different medical institution for a different treatment.. Wow.

Doctors in a "NHS" and lackeys in the Department of Childrens Services are often blinded to the process. They really think they are providing some kind of positive good by facilitating death.

As a general rule, it's important to remember that medical doctors aren't any smarter or wiser than a bum on the street.