London Tower Fire

[BjornP]

It appears that it's not really relevant in the UK, as the crown is the de facto owner anyway, no matter whose name is on the de jure title.

Where did you read that?

[Fife]

It appears that it's not really relevant in the UK, as the crown is the de facto owner anyway, no matter whose name is on the de jure title.

Where did you read that?

I read about it in this thread, today. Trivially, I think the UK calls the process a Compulsory Purchase Order, where we liberty freaks call the process eminent domain.

[Smitty-48]

Indeed, it's public housing, they've simply subcontracted it, otherwise, actual private owners would have simply torn it down and built another luxury condo, it's West London, the hottest real estate on the market. Grenfell Towers; largely a government wharehouse for poor mostly immigrants, in a worst of all worlds "public-private patnership"

In the UK, these are referred to as "Council Estates", in America; "The Projects".

Could I interest you in investing large sums of capital into "The Projects"? No? Didn't think so. Nobody owns it, nobody fuckin' cares.

Wot? These people are dead? Well I didn't kill them, did you? No? Well then, what can we do now, after it is a burnt out husk and they are already dead? Sell the land to the highest bidder and move on? Sounds about right, done and done, market forces will have their due in the end.

What about the public spending? Oh, well, now you have a Public Inquiry, to find out what we already know, and those aren't cheap, make no mistake.

[Montegriffo]

Thing is we have already had a public inquiry after the last tower block fire. Recommendations were not carried out and letters from the fire services were ignored by four different Ministers.
Now it seems up to six hundred tower blocks may have been fitted with the same cladding. Removal could cost hundreds of millions. Great way to save money with your austerity measures Tories.

[Montegriffo]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... er-charges

Police have said they are considering manslaughter charges in relation to the deadly Grenfell Tower blaze as they revealed that the insulation and cladding tiles at the building failed safety tests.

Det Supt Fiona McCormack, who is overseeing the investigation, said on Friday that officers had established the initial cause of the fire was a fridge-freezer and that it was not started deliberately.

She said they were trying to get to the bottom of why the fire grew so quickly and tests had pointed towards the cladding using aluminium composite tiles and the insulation behind it. Investigators will now seek to establish whether the use of these materials was illegal.

McCormack said: “Preliminary tests show the insulation samples collected from Grenfell Tower combusted soon after the tests started. The initial test on the cladding tiles also failed the safety tests.”

She added that the insulation proved “more flammable than the cladding”. McCormack said police would investigate how the tiles were installed.“We will identify and investigate any criminal offence and, of course, given the deaths of so many people, we are considering manslaughter, as well as criminal offences and breaches of legislation and regulations,” she said.

McCormack said documents and materials had been seized from a number of organisations but no one had been questioned yet as it was too early in the investigation.

She said: “We are looking at every criminal offence from manslaughter onwards, we are looking at every health and safety and fire safety offences and we are reviewing every company at the moment involved in the building and refurbishment of Grenfell Tower.”

Looks like corporate manslaughter charges could be on their way.

[Montegriffo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40389148

More than 700 flats in tower blocks on an estate in the Swiss Cottage area of north-west London have been evacuated because of fire safety concerns.

Camden Council said people in four towers on the Chalcots estate were moved for "urgent fire safety works".

The council added it was booking hotels but around 100 residents have spent the night on air beds in a leisure centre.

The estate's cladding is similar to Grenfell Tower in west London, where a fire is feared to have killed 79.

Chalcots was refurbished between 2006 and 2009 by the same firm, Rydon, that oversaw work at Grenfell Tower in 2015-16.

Camden Council said it will remove external thermal cladding from five tower blocks on the Chalcots estate.

It also said there were concerns about the insulation of gas pipes going into flats, and fire doors.

The council initially announced the evacuation of one tower block, Taplow, but later extended the move to all five tower blocks it had checked.

Residents told to imediately evacuate and told they could not return to collect belongings unless accompanied by a fire officer. Some residents refusing to leave unless forced to do so.

[Speaker to Animals]

The company's name was Rydon? It's almost like they wanted to create some villainous company from the start with a name like that. That's like a corporation name that Robocop has to take down. Probably a subsidiary of Omni Consumer Inc.

[TheReal_ND]

[Speaker to Animals]

A comprehensive breakdown of the mayor's ties to terrorist organizations like ISIS and Muslim Brotherhood might shed some light on why he wants amnesty for Muslims who illegally migrated into the UK.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-2 ... r-question

Interesting that he hasn't the police resources to deal with the terrorists who returned home, or to deal with the illegal immigrants he is giving resources to, but he has plenty of resources to round up native Britons for criticizing Islam..

[Ph64]

Det Supt Fiona McCormack, who is overseeing the investigation, said on Friday that officers had established the initial cause of the fire was a fridge-freezer and that it was not started deliberately.

http://www.consumerreports.org/home-saf ... atch-fire/

Refrigerators are one of the leading causes of kitchen fires after ranges and microwaves. Consumer Reports analyzed appliance fires in a 2012 report, "Appliance Fires Pose a Safety Hazard." Experts told us then that as appliances become more complex, more things can go wrong.

Refrigerators run continuously, and once the electrical components catch fire, plastics in the rest of the unit provide more fuel. (Complicating matters in Europe, regulations allow manufacturers to use flammable refrigerants, though, again, there is no indication yet as to how the Hotpoint appliance caught fire.)

Allowing flammable refrigerant. So much for good fire safety regulations.

And "as complexity increases" - so you mean that fridge I posted in the tech/social revolution thread with the huge LCD screen running Windows 10 that you can watch youtube videos on might be more dangerous?? "Technology to the... rescue?"