Things You Know Will Happen

[C-Mag]

It wont happen for a few years.

[BjornP]

And you're basing that on...what sort of evidence, statistics, etc. excatly?

[Okeefenokee]

For starters, the left called a pro-Poland speech white supremacy. They call Polish opposition to open immigration white supremacy. I don't know if or when it might happen, but open derision of a people because they exercise self-preservation and national pride could certainly turn them against you.

[TheReal_ND]

They just had some sort of putsch against all the old communist pro EU judges. I don't really understand it but it was like all the old fuckers that used to be commies and are by chance pro EU are told to resign.

[C-Mag]

And you're basing that on...what sort of evidence, statistics, etc. excatly?

Brussels has been looking down their nose at Eastern European members since they were admitted. The founding EU Members hold Summits on critical EU issues and don't invite Eastern members. Poland has already called for alternative Summits for those EU members not invited.

Economically many in EU founding nations feel Eastern European nations must be expelled for the EU to survive.

Maybe the biggest factor is that these nations are former Soviet States. Gen X people in Eastern Europe were on the front lines of throwing off the Bear. They've lived first hand being compelled by an alien foreign capitol to do Moscow bidding. I just think they will reject Brussels.

[BjornP]

For starters, the left called a pro-Poland speech white supremacy. They call Polish opposition to open immigration white supremacy. I don't know if or when it might happen, but open derision of a people because they exercise self-preservation and national pride could certainly turn them against you.

The American left call all sorts of things racist or a case of white supremacy. That bullshit only gets treated seriously in Anglophone countries and to some extent, Sweden. You really need to understand that that sort of thinking is not universal to everyone to the left everywhere in the world. Lots of Europeans don't even know about your problems with SJW colleges, or PC culture calling everything racists, chauvanist, ableist, etc. Some of that comes from not all Europeans reading English-language news all that much, but most comes simply from the fact that they won't know about such stories unless they suddenly start to read online publications they never heard about, like Slate or Breitbart, or any other SJW outlet or those publications that mock the SJW outlets in replies.

It's the "is what's on the news gonna affect me, and if not why should I care?" approach to news reading. US colleges and education in general getting shut down because of some spoiled, hysterical kids with white guilt issues is, for 99% of Europeans decidely in the: "Nope, that's definitely not gonna affect me" category.

Brussels has been looking down their nose at Eastern European members since they were admitted. The founding EU Members hold Summits on critical EU issues and don't invite Eastern members. Poland has already called for alternative Summits for those EU members not invited.

Economically many in EU founding nations feel Eastern European nations must be expelled for the EU to survive.

Maybe the biggest factor is that these nations are former Soviet States. Gen X people in Eastern Europe were on the front lines of throwing off the Bear. They've lived first hand being compelled by an alien foreign capitol to do Moscow bidding. I just think they will reject Brussels.

Did you read the two links I provided, Carlus?

"Brussels" is also Poland and all the other East European countries. They're all members and they all have MEP's. It was Greece that was kept out of a summit in Vienna during the refugee crisis, a summit about what to do with the refugees streaming into South-Eastern Europe from Turkey and Greece. And Greece was, understandably furious at being kept out.

It's not so much Brussels that looks down on Eastern Europe as it's a Western vs. Eastern European thing going back to before the EU, or even the EEC was concieved. No doubt about that still being real, though it's not so common among young people now. Still, it doesn't help that when the most EU fanatical, the EU federalists like to pretend that Europe has some sort of great, shared, history they trot out Charlemagne as the "Grandfather of Europe" (the people who thought up the EEC being the "fathers"), oblivious to the fact that they're using the quintessential Franco-German national figure as representative of everything that's supposedly "European". As if Charlemagne means, or ought to mean, the same to a Pole, a Bulgarian or a Finn.

However, even that's not so much "Brussels" as it is factions within the EU. Not all national leaders of invidiual EU countries have the same agenda for the EU. It's in that light you need to understand those stats I showed you. Especially the Pew report one. It's not just Eastern Europeans who want their own national governments, instead of the EU, to solely determine immigration policy. That's all of EU countries. Also, most EU citizens feel that Germany is dominating the EU too much. Yet, again, disagreement with those two points to not correspond to disagreement that the entire EU project needs to go. As you can see in the two links.

EU countries that Northern and Western EU countries have mused about kicking out of the EU, has mostly been Greece. They shouldn't have been able to join, with their shitty economy, but the symbolic value was apparantly greater than the rational one. Greece as the "origin of Western European civilization" beat "Greece's economy is in the shitter and they run their public administration like a kleptocracy".

As for comparisons to USSR... I'm going to assume that's not an ideological comparison but simply a "foreign power" comparison. In any case, as the facts indicate: They don't reject Brussels. They are Brussels, like the rest of the EU members. They want a different power alignment.
Currently what's dominating the news about EU and Poland, is not that Poland is getting criticized, and threatened with sanctions by some other EU countries for anything related to immigration. It's getting criticized for a law reform bill that could allow the Polish government to not simply appoint, but hire and fire judges, including supreme court judges at will. A major erosion of the principle of seperation of powers if the Polish president signs the bill. Fortunately, he has expressed reservations about signing the bill.

I hope you can agree with the logic that just because countries within the EU criticize Poland, that doesn't mean that everything Poland does is therefore an expression of freedom, simply by virtue of disagreeing with other EU countries. If someone you don't like criticizes Communism, you're presumebly not suddenly going to love Communism simply because they hate it, right? Which, again, corresponds to the findings in the polls I linked to. Europeans, not just Eastern Europeans are very skeptical about the degree of power the EU ought to have, about power imbalances. About which sort of EU there should be, iow. They generally agree that there should be a EU, though.

[Martin Hash]

Bjorn is my EU go-to-guy.

[kybkh]

Democratic operatives and donors will release sensitive Republican e-mails/documents in an attempt to sway the 2018 elections and blame then Russians.

[kybkh]

Democratic operatives and donors will release sensitive Republican e-mails/documents in an attempt to sway the 2018 elections and blame then Russians.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/media-ma ... fake-news/

Read the whole story though...

http://freebeacon.com/politics/david-br ... trump/amp/

[C-Mag]

@Bjorn

Your logic is fine, it's based on conventional wisdom. This a prediction thread. I see more differences with Eastern and Western Europe. I also recognize there a cyclic nature to history. My prediction stands, we are entering a period where we will see sort of strengthenin Slavic independence from other European natins.