Protecting the Free-Range Kid

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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by StCapps » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:04 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:I come from the old school, train as you fight, where we pushed ourselves to the limits and beyond, to find out where the limits were, and how they could be broken.
That's all well and good, but one can over do it and that can be detrimental. Everything in moderation, even moderation.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:08 pm

StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:I come from the old school, train as you fight, where we pushed ourselves to the limits and beyond, to find out where the limits were, and how they could be broken.
That's all well and good, but one can over do it and that can be detrimental. Everything in moderation, even moderation.
Detrimental schmetrimental, we were all expendable down range for the mission, pushing ourselves to the limits and beyond to find out where the limits were and how to break them, was the mission, it wasn't practice, it was a crucible, any softie can be taught to fight in a technical sense, but only those who could take the pain could ever execute, when the rubber hit the road, in a world of pain.

If you can't take the pain, join the Armour Corps and ride.

Hundred pounds on your back, fifty miles quick time, blazing heat to the bitter cold, it's detrimental, anyway you slice it. Feet torn to peices, frost bitten ears falling off, ankles snapped like a twig on the drop zone; shit happens, suck it up.

There's going to be attrition during, that just comes with the territory, troops were killed in fact, wrong place wrong time, you can't hide under the covers from it.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:15 pm

If you can't push your limits in training, then how will you do it in combat?

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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by StCapps » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:20 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:Detrimental schmetrimental, we were all expendable down range for the mission, pushing ourselves to the limits and beyond to find out where the limits were and how to break them, was the mission, it wasn't practice, it was a crucible, any softie can be taught to fight in a technical sense, but only those who could take the pain could ever execute, when the rubber hit the road, in a world of pain.

If you can't take the pain, join the Armour Corps.
Too much pain and you can't even play the game. Nor will you see any gain.

I'm not saying don't push the limits in training, but your entire training should not be dedicated to pushing your physical limits at all times, sometimes the body needs to rest and continuing to train without resting will actually diminish physical gains or decrease your ability to endure physical hardship. Working smart, is better than working hard, but that hardly means you shouldn't work hard while being smart about it.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:22 pm

If you cant push your limits to break through them, why would we even show up? If we wanted to stay within our limits, we wouldn't have joined in the first place.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by StCapps » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:25 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:If you cant push your limits to break through them, why would we even show up? If we wanted to stay within our limits, we wouldn't have joined in the first place.
I'm not suggesting to stay within your limits and never push them. I'm just saying over-training is not a myth, it's a possibility and those who have strong work ethics are more prone to over-training than the lazy who have an under-training problem.

I said hard sparring in moderation, I did not say "no hard sparring ever". Try and argue in good faith now.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:35 pm

StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:Detrimental schmetrimental, we were all expendable down range for the mission, pushing ourselves to the limits and beyond to find out where the limits were and how to break them, was the mission, it wasn't practice, it was a crucible, any softie can be taught to fight in a technical sense, but only those who could take the pain could ever execute, when the rubber hit the road, in a world of pain.

If you can't take the pain, join the Armour Corps.
Too much pain and you can't even play the game. Nor will you see any gain.

I'm not saying don't push the limits in training, but your entire training should not be dedicated to pushing your physical limits at all times, sometimes the body needs to rest and continuing to train without resting will actually diminish physical gains or decrease your ability to endure physical hardship. Working smart, is better than working hard, but that hardly means you shouldn't work hard while being smart about it.
It's all in the mind, pain is not injury, pain is just pain, there was no rest for the wicked, so no sense training as if you were ever going to get any rest, on one course, did platoon attacks all day, dug trenches, patrolled all night, wash rinse repeat, for nine days straight, without any sleep at all, we could have taken a rest at anytime, but then we would be off the course and on the bus home without further ado.

They weren't testing us for our capacity to rest, they knew we could do that.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by StCapps » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:39 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:It's all in the mind, pain is not injury, pain is just pain, there was no rest for the wicked, so no sense training as if you were ever going to get any rest, on one course,did platoon attacks all day, dug trenches, patrolled all night, wash rinse repeat, for nine days straight, without any sleep at all, we could have taken a rest at anytime, but then we would be off the course and on the bus home without further ado.
Well not getting rest is not a positive before entering battle and anyone who said otherwise is full of shit. Being the more well rested and well fed army is an advantage, not a disadvantage.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:44 pm

StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:It's all in the mind, pain is not injury, pain is just pain, there was no rest for the wicked, so no sense training as if you were ever going to get any rest, on one course,did platoon attacks all day, dug trenches, patrolled all night, wash rinse repeat, for nine days straight, without any sleep at all, we could have taken a rest at anytime, but then we would be off the course and on the bus home without further ado.
Well not getting rest is not a positive before entering battle and anyone who said otherwise is full of shit. Being the more well rested and well fed army is an advantage, not a disadvantage.
No sense training for being the well rested, well fed army, as most likely you're not going to be, train as you fight, not as you are in garrison with three hots and a cot at all times. Doesn't require any training, to be well rested and well fed.

Hardening the mind and spririt to do it, when you're not, that's where the training comes in.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by StCapps » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:50 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:No sense training for being the well rested, well fed army, as most likely you're not going to be, train as you fight, not as you are in garrison with three hots and a cot at all times.
Well I'm not suggesting training as you are in garrison with three hots and a cot at all times. I'm just saying rest is sometimes beneficial and hard sparring isn't the only good way to train for unarmed combat. Yet you seem to be reacting as if those are controversial statements for some reason.
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