THE ERA OF TRUMP

[SuburbanFarmer]

Meanwhile, this is after Carlin asserted his own "grand" strategy of just seeding the Russian border with nukes outside of American control, by handing them out willy nilly to Eastern European countries, which is the kind of thing which would actually incite World War Three, so who's the real Nuclear Hitler?

Fucking this! I stand can not believe that was Dan's stance for world peace. Jesus fucking tap dancing christ. Life must be fucking weird in Oregon to use that Jedi logic.

Well, how long do you think we can keep the other nations from developing or buying them? Why does it make sense for every American to be armed, and not every country?

[skankhunt42]

Meanwhile, this is after Carlin asserted his own "grand" strategy of just seeding the Russian border with nukes outside of American control, by handing them out willy nilly to Eastern European countries, which is the kind of thing which would actually incite World War Three, so who's the real Nuclear Hitler?

Fucking this! I stand can not believe that was Dan's stance for world peace. Jesus fucking tap dancing christ. Life must be fucking weird in Oregon to use that Jedi logic.

Well, how long do you think we can keep the other nations from developing or buying them? Why does it make sense for every American to be armed, and not every country?

100 guns held by 100 people won't end the human race.
100 Nukes though owned by 100 nations...Yea...That's an issue.

[Smitty-48]

In Eastern Europe? Indefinitely. They don't actually want them, because that would just incite the Russians to attack them to destroy the nuclear weapons, and they wouldn't have sufficient strategic depth nor mass to prevent the Russians from doing so.

[Okeefenokee]

Meanwhile, this is after Carlin asserted his own "grand" strategy of just seeding the Russian border with nukes outside of American control, by handing them out willy nilly to Eastern European countries, which is the kind of thing which would actually incite World War Three, so who's the real Nuclear Hitler?

Fucking this! I stand can not believe that was Dan's stance for world peace. Jesus fucking tap dancing christ. Life must be fucking weird in Oregon to use that Jedi logic.

Well, how long do you think we can keep the other nations from developing or buying them? Why does it make sense for every American to be armed, and not every country?

FFS.

[Ex-California]

The one time Germany isn't the one trying to end western civilization they get panicky.

[Smitty-48]

Not actually easy for countries to acquire weapons grade plutonium in sufficient quantities to build a nuclear deterrent of any particular utility. In order to deter a nuclear superpower, you would require thermonuclear weapons, deployed in depth, en masse, with survivable second strike capability.

If you can't deploy a comprehensive deterrent, in depth, en masse, with survivable second strike capability therein, nuclear weapons are more of a burden than a boon, which is why most nuclear capable countries decline to deploy them.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fucking this! I stand can not believe that was Dan's stance for world peace. Jesus fucking tap dancing christ. Life must be fucking weird in Oregon to use that Jedi logic.

Well, how long do you think we can keep the other nations from developing or buying them? Why does it make sense for every American to be armed, and not every country?

100 guns held by 100 people won't end the human race.
100 Nukes though owned by 100 nations...Yea...That's an issue.

Perhaps it could do some amount of damage if all 100 of them launched at once. Similar to all 100 people opening fire at the same time and spraying the room wildly. Not very likely.

[Smitty-48]

Against a nuclear superpower, you'd never get them off the ground, they'd all be taken out by preemptive counterforce in one fell swoop.

If the Baltic states acquired nuclear weapons, the Russians would simply take those out preemptively as they overran them in an afternoon. Too close, too small, nowhere to back off to, nowhere to hide.

If anything, NATO would have to prevent the Baltic States from acquiring nuclear weapons, simply in order to head off the inevitable Russian response.

To wit, a handful of nukes is worse than no nukes at all. Not enough to deter a heavyweight opponent, just enough to bring him down upon you with overwhelming force, while giving him licence to do without quarter, mercy, nor restraint.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Russia would never attempt to roll over little nuclear NATO states and kick off WW3, just for lulz. That doesn't even make sense.

[Smitty-48]

Russia would invade the Baltic States without hesitation if they even got a whiff that there was a plan to deploy nuclear weapons there, even if those were NATO nuclear weapons, nuclear weapons on the Russian border means war, and NATO wouldn't even be able to slow them down, they'd be in Riga, Tallin, and Vilnius by the end of the first day, and if Russia did get hit with nuclear weapons for doing so, they would retaliate against the London, Paris, New York and Washington, so NATO wouldn't actually retaliate, the Russians can take the Baltic States anytime they want, and nobody would be able to stop them.

NATO specifically keeps its B61's based away from the Russian border, for a very good reason. If NATO forward deployed its B61's to a first strike position on the Russian border? World War Three.

Little Nuclear NATO? Russia ain't even scared of Big Nuclear NATO, what's NATO going to do? Nuke them? Not bloody likely, nuke the Russians and you get nuked back a hundred times over, including the CONUS, so it is America who wouldn't permit Little Nuclear NATO to come about, never mind the Russians.

To wit; if the Baltic States acquired nuclear weapons outside of American control, they would get invaded and occupied by the Americans, to secure those weapons and get them out of there, in order to head off a nuclear war with Russia.