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Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:16 pm

See, the thing is, Longstreet was on the same wavelength as Sherman, Longstreet was ahead of his time too, he was thinking logistics and defensive warfare, but to Lee, Jackson and the rest of them, this made Longstreet seem like he was just too ponderous, like get with the program Longstreet, the name of the game here is dash and elan, heroism and chivarly, it's like a duel and we will will whup them with our agression and daring. And Longstreet was like, no, no, no, you guy's don't get it, all that is obselete, we need to hunker down behind the low wall and make them come to us, and perserve our ammo to hold out.
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Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:16 pm

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:18 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:See, the thing is, Longstreet was on the same wavelength as Sherman, Longstreet was ahead of his time too, he was thinking logistics and defensive warfare, but to Lee, Jackson and the rest of them, this made Longstreet seem like he was just too ponderous, like get with the program Longstreet, the name of the game here is dash and elan, heroism and chilvarly, it's like a duel and we will will whup them with our agression and daring. And Longstreet was like, no, no, no, you guy's don't get it, all that is obselete, we need to hunker down behind the low wall and make them come to us, and perserve our ammo to hold out.

They sacrificed Longstreet's reputation to preserve that of Lee. Longstreet was in the right.

Washington was like 90 miles away. Think about that. Lee was 90 miles from the White House, and he blew it by trying to lick the federals encamped atop those hills and ridges, dug in and well-equipped.

90 miles.

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Post by TheReal_ND » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:21 pm

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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:23 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:See, the thing is, Longstreet was on the same wavelength as Sherman, Longstreet was ahead of his time too, he was thinking logistics and defensive warfare, but to Lee, Jackson and the rest of them, this made Longstreet seem like he was just too ponderous, like get with the program Longstreet, the name of the game here is dash and elan, heroism and chilvarly, it's like a duel and we will will whup them with our agression and daring. And Longstreet was like, no, no, no, you guy's don't get it, all that is obselete, we need to hunker down behind the low wall and make them come to us, and perserve our ammo to hold out.

They sacrificed Longstreet's reputation to preserve that of Lee. Longstreet was in the right.

Washington was like 90 miles away. Think about that. Lee was 90 miles from the White House, and he blew it by trying to lick the federals encamped atop those hills and ridges, dug in and well-equipped.

90 miles.
Yeah, Seminary Ridge wasn't a very good position, but it JEB Stuart had done his job and Lee had had recce on the host coming up behind him, and then Lee had got on to Cemetery Ridge, and then the Yankees took the bait? Whole nother ball game.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:26 pm

If he had just marched south towards Washington, wouldn't they have had to break out and pursue him? He could turn around at any location he chose to fight them there and change entire balance.

I mean.. Lee's army is about four days march from Washington. Are you just going to sit there atop Cemetery Ridge? Probably not. You'd have to pursue him.

So why fight them there?

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Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:27 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:If he had just marched south towards Washington, wouldn't they have had to break out and pursue him? He could turn around at any location he chose to fight them there and change entire balance.
Yeah, I think he probably knew that, and choosing not to do so might indicate that some part of him was ready for it to be over.
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:30 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:If he had just marched south towards Washington, wouldn't they have had to break out and pursue him? He could turn around at any location he chose to fight them there and change entire balance.

I mean.. Lee's army is about four days march from Washington. Are you just going to sit there atop Cemetery Ridge? Probably not. You'd have to pursue him.

So why fight them there?
If he could have got the high ground and then baited the Yankees to charge the low wall again, like they did a Fredericksburg, or like they would at Cold Harbor? Then he marches to Washington with impunity, the Army of Potomac in ruins. With the Army of the Potomac decimated, the odds of the Yankees suing for peace goes up exponentially.
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Re: Unite the Right

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:39 pm

I understand why Lee got his blood up at Gettysburg, marching straight to Washington is not enough, Washington isn't the center of gravity, if you take Washington, which is just a town at this point, and the Army of the Potomac is right behind you, the Union is not going to capitulate, they'll just trap you in Washington and law siege to it, the Confederacy had no hope of winning the war by force alone, they needed the Yankees to sue for peace, in order into to march to Washington to treat with them from a position of strength, the Army of the Potomac must be beaten and beaten decisively, they have to be decimated and in ruins, he needed a physical AND psychological victory at Gettysburg, to bring the Union to the table to sue for terms.

Longstreet is saying "we need to get the hell out of here, we're in a bad spot, we need to run" and Lee is saying "run to where? We are here now, as close as we are ever going to get, if not now, then when? This is it, we win here, we win it all, its worth the stretch, and our boys can do it, so saddle up..."
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Re: Unite the Right

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