Merican Nazi: An Origin story

[Smitty-48]

That may be true but my impression of the ferrous female was that talk was her last resort rather than her first. Confrontation rather than conversation was her forte.
Great for dealing with half starved bolshie miners or poorly trained Argie conscripts but of little use against nuclear superpowers or well armed Catholic terrorists.

When it comes to Fenian Bastards run amok, or Argentine Juntas at the gates, that is not time for turning, that is the time for confrontation, and that goes for miners thrown down the Colours in favour of Hammer and Sickle as well.

And if the Warsaw Pact had come across the Trace, no doubt the Iron Lady would have confronted that as well, was them who named her the Iron Lady after all.

[Montegriffo]

Whist I had no sympathy for bolshie miners and their filthy produce bespoiling of England's green and pleasant land and their bringing down democratically elected governments by holding the country to ransom I did feel some empathy for whole communities thrown on the scrapheap.
Maybe you are right that there was no negotiating with fascist military Juntas but did she really try?
Not that she was opposed to supporting South American fascist dictatorships when it suited her.

[Smitty-48]

Communities which expect Her Majesty to shield them from the winds of change, simply have unrealistic expectations, the unions in Wales thought the could hold back the future, and they were so enabled by the left that they thought they were in charge, and they threw caution to the wind and made their gambit, uprising against the Crown for ransom, and the Iron Lady simply called their bluff.

It's a big country, if your guaranteed job for life turns out to not be so guaranteed after all, too bad so sad, move on to something else, we here in the Americas do it all the time. /shrug

[Smitty-48]

Maybe you are right that there was no negotiating with fascist military Juntas but did she really try?
Not that she was opposed to supporting South American fascist dictatorships when it suited her.

HM Government attempted to negotiate a withdrawal, the Americans attempted to negotiate a withdrawal, the Argentine Junta would have none of it, so they cast their lot and invited the Parachute Regiment down upon them, I shed no tears for the Argentine Junta which bit the open palm offering them a chance to reconsider their options.

And for whatever South American dictatorship invades British territory and take Britons hostage, the sword, other dictatorships may go about their business, it's not for the British Crown to install a revolution in South America, which, Thatcher never did.

Munroe Doctrine, the fascists dictatorships of South America, was America's business.

[Montegriffo]

Communities which expect Her Majesty to shield them from the winds of change, simply have unrealistic expectations, the unions in Wales thought the could hold back the future, and they were so enabled by the left that they thought they were in charge, and they threw caution to the wind and made their gambit, uprising against the Crown for ransom, and the Iron Lady simply called their bluff.

It's a big country, if your guaranteed job for life turns out to not be so guaranteed after all, too bad so sad, move on to something else, we here in the Americas do it all the time. /shrug

Perhaps you are unaware of the record unemployment at the time. Tebbit's appeal to ''get on your bike and look for work'' was as unrealistic as the NUM's appeal to protect unprofitable jobs in coal. It wasn't that we had no use for coal at the time it was more a case of ''there is no alternative'' (to globalism) and the availability of cheap Chinese coal.

[Smitty-48]

Communities which expect Her Majesty to shield them from the winds of change, simply have unrealistic expectations, the unions in Wales thought the could hold back the future, and they were so enabled by the left that they thought they were in charge, and they threw caution to the wind and made their gambit, uprising against the Crown for ransom, and the Iron Lady simply called their bluff.

It's a big country, if your guaranteed job for life turns out to not be so guaranteed after all, too bad so sad, move on to something else, we here in the Americas do it all the time. /shrug

Perhaps you are unaware of the record unemployment at the time. Tebbit's appeal to ''get on your bike and look for work'' was as unrealistic as the NUM's appeal to protect unprofitable jobs in coal. It wasn't that we had no use for coal at the time it was more a case of ''there is no alternative'' (to globalism) and the availability of cheap Chinese coal.

An unfortunate outcome of the winds of change, market forces were upon them, but it is not the role of HM government to employ coal miners, if they wanted a job in government, then they can apply for a government job, of which coal mining, is not one, nor should it be.

[Montegriffo]

it's not for the British Crown to install a revolution in South America, which, Thatcher never did.

She did however sell arms and riot control vehicles to make it easier for Pinochet to quell rebellion.

[Smitty-48]

I mean, there's not a single coal miner in Canader, who is employed by the Government of Canader, nor has their ever been, why anyone would think that the Crown is in the coal mining business, is beyond me.

[Smitty-48]

it's not for the British Crown to install a revolution in South America, which, Thatcher never did.

She did however sell arms and riot control vehicles to make it easier for Pinochet to quell rebellion.

Business is business, if she didn't sell them to the Chileans, the Americans would have, you complained about unemployment, well, take the job and shut the fuck up then.

What would you have Thatcher do, bring Allende back from the grave and reinstall him? Why? The Soviets would have been back in Chile, and the Americans would have crushed the Chileans for it, so what would that achieve?

Allende would have doomed Chile to the fate of the Cubans, he was as much a tyrant as Pinochet was, he was simply the Soviet's tyrant, Pinochet, the lesser of two evils.

[clubgop]

Yeah, it's only those European and British leftists that love and support the EU! Excatly! You got it right, clubby. A regoolar pawlitkool expoit, you is.

That was just one example, I stand by it. Is UKIP and other parties like that considered left? Is that I am supposed to believe? Anit Brexi made it a left right fight and they lost it. Oh do you like the EU and don't consider yourself a leftist? You want to make this about you? No one gives an icy fuck. Be in your place with unnecessary vowels and shoovee it.

Then you stand on very shaky ground. UKIP is one single, very minor, British party amongst a sea of EU skeptical parties that are both leftist and right-wing. The EU coincidentally, is more than Britain... Even just in an exclusively British context, you're still not making sense. You want a name of a British Conservative party that favored staying in the EU: The Conservative party... Want another major Conservative player in the EU? Jean-Claude Juncker. Want a British leftist party that agitated for Brexit? Socialist Labour Party.

Leftist euroskeptic parties and organizations in the EU by country:

Austria: Socialist Left Party
Croatia: Red Action
Denmark: Unity List + (though they're more soft euroskeptics) The Socialist People's Party.
Czech Republic: Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia.
France: French Communist Party
UK: Socialist Labour Party (not to be confused with that other Labour party...) + Communist Party of Britain.
Italy: Five Star Movement

And I do consider myself a leftist, given how I usually vote Social Democrat or Socialist People Party. And no, I don't like the EU as it exists today.

My source of reference on this issue was American news outlets and the BBC so the framing of thos issue was put plainly in that context. As Junker being a "conservative" maybe under the definition of Europe but I can't get there. Yes, European politics have plenty of nuance but you are not going to get here you barely are going to get that with American politics.