Google Memo

[The Conservative]

So, the current strategy of doing nothing is "winning"?

No, you must identify your enemy & their tactics before you can defeat it.

There are LOTS of women (like my wife, and apparently 53% of White women) who will be on our side. You can rename the battle if you don't like "war against men." Got any ideas?

It's the same war it's always been - war against traditional values and society. Free speech is on the chopping block, isn't that a little more relatable than men vs women? The entire idea of meritocracy is under siege from identity politics. Isn't that a better way to frame the debate than "Privileged vs. oppressed"? Who will willingly ally themselves with hating free speech and people being rewarded for their works?
Almost no one.
But turn the battle into "Privileged white men oppressing minorities and creating hostile work environments for females" and suddenly half the people are ready to fall in line against free speech and meritocracy.

Clearly it's idiotic to engage these people on their own terms. Frame the debate on the right terms, win the debate before it even gets off the ground.

Do you have an example you can point to of this strategy working? I mean, the guy at Google DID get fired. The MSM is still spewing this shit without your counter-narrative. Jordan Peterson certainly explains it in the same terms, do you think his attack is compromised?

Call a goddamn spade a spade, don't stop calling it one because someone says they are offended. They won.

What else do you expect to happen when you can't tell the men from the women, and they all have shark week on rotating schedule?

[DBTrek]

Do you have an example you can point to of this strategy working? I mean, the guy at Google DID get fired. The MSM is still spewing this shit without your counter-narrative. Jordan Peterson certainly explains it in the same terms, do you think his attack is compromised?

Call a goddamn spade a spade, don't stop calling it one because someone says they are offended. They won.

I don't see my strategy being deployed. I see everyone playing according to the rules defined by "social justice", and you reacting by doubling down on a losing strategy with "We're at war with women!"

[SuburbanFarmer]

LMFAO

DB is the "real man" for caving in to female demands.

Get over yourself. You are not making yourself better by behaving like this. It's fucking sad. Women don't respect you for it either. You are shitting all over me for doing exactly what your feminist overlords do every day, and which you support by attacking other men. Had you not considered that?

I don't begrudge women for wanting to fight for their self-interests. I begrudge you for -- like an idiot -- fighting for somebody else's interests against your own self-interest.

Stop behaving like such a rube.

It's almost as if you're not comprehending his argument...

[Martin Hash]

Do you have an example you can point to of this strategy working? I mean, the guy at Google DID get fired. The MSM is still spewing this shit without your counter-narrative. Jordan Peterson certainly explains it in the same terms, do you think his attack is compromised?

Call a goddamn spade a spade, don't stop calling it one because someone says they are offended. They won.

I don't see my strategy being deployed. I see everyone playing according to the rules defined by "social justice", and you reacting by doubling down on a losing strategy with "We're at war with women!"

Did you just say that the lack of something is proof that it's successful? "Communism works, it just hasn't been done right."

SJW tactics are an Oral Illusion. Nobody really sawed the girl in two, and if I sit there and let you think somebody did, then I'm as guilty as you are for spreading false information. "It's a FAKE, kid, you're being tricked."

[DBTrek]

Jerry Seinfeld and his backlash against College Campuses (choosing to never perform at colleges).
Ann Coulter/Milo reactions from Berkeley college speaking bans.
Evergreen State video showing college president shouted down and silenced by student mob.

Those are three examples of when the argument was framed as SJW's vs Free Speech, and the SJW's took a beating in the court of public opinion.

Where's your example of "We're at war with women" working?

[Martin Hash]

In this thread alone I've stated the apparently-not-so-obvious: women, minorities & weirdos, those who did not traditionally have power & control, are gaining power & control by exploiting the courtesy & conflict-avoidance of men, at the detriment of men. Cowards that we are, we have not called the people at war with us our enemies, so the knife goes in. To win a battle, you must understand the war, "the war against men."

[Martin Hash]

Jerry Seinfeld and his backlash against College Campuses (choosing to never perform at colleges).
Ann Coulter/Milo reactions from Berkeley college speaking bans.
Evergreen State video showing college president shouted down and silenced by student mob.

Those are three examples of when the argument was framed as SJW's vs Free Speech, and the SJW's took a beating in the court of public opinion.

Where's your example of "We're at war with women" working?

They WON because we SHIRKED. They had their hands on the levers of power. They have the universities because NO ONE FOUGHT BACK. They have the Democratic Party. Democracy, remember?

[DBTrek]

In this thread alone I've stated the apparently-not-so-obvious: women, minorities & weirdos, those who did not traditionally have power & control, are gaining power & control by exploiting the courtesy & conflict-avoidance of men, at the detriment of men. Cowards that we are, we have not called the people at war with us our enemies, so the knife goes in. To win a battle, you must understand the war, "the war against men."

I see it as a war against meritocracy and free speech.
I'd submit that there are probably more allies of meritocracy and free speech in America than there are men.

So I think framing it as a war on men is a sub-optimal and likely losing proposition.

[Martin Hash]

In this thread alone I've stated the apparently-not-so-obvious: women, minorities & weirdos, those who did not traditionally have power & control, are gaining power & control by exploiting the courtesy & conflict-avoidance of men, at the detriment of men. Cowards that we are, we have not called the people at war with us our enemies, so the knife goes in. To win a battle, you must understand the war, "the war against men."

I see it as a war against meritocracy and free speech.
I'd submit that there are probably more allies of meritocracy and free speech in America than there are men.

So I think framing it as a war on men is a sub-optimal and likely losing proposition.

The "War on Liberty" no longer carries any weight. Liberty is ridiculed & despised by the group that oppose us. An entire generation has been trained that liberty is oppression, that Free Speech is offensive, that meritocracy is exploitative. More votes for women, minorities & weirdos coming up.

But, go ahead, waffle about the framing, that way you can avoid conflict & remain courteous.

[Speaker to Animals]

LMFAO

DB is the "real man" for caving in to female demands.

Get over yourself. You are not making yourself better by behaving like this. It's fucking sad. Women don't respect you for it either. You are shitting all over me for doing exactly what your feminist overlords do every day, and which you support by attacking other men. Had you not considered that?

I don't begrudge women for wanting to fight for their self-interests. I begrudge you for -- like an idiot -- fighting for somebody else's interests against your own self-interest.

You've taken enough of a whipping, I'll let you do the third rendition of your teenage rage whine before shooing you off to your dark corner of self loathing.

Go on now, shoo.
You said your blather . . . again.

You acting like a child does not constitute a whipping of anything but yourself. You lost again and can only respond with insults. You obviously lost here (again).