North Korea News

[doc_loliday]

Those demons ain't gonna exorcise themselves, wot?

[Smitty-48]

Yeah, you're gonna have to keep going back to "Vietnam", over and over, until you "get it right", still not over that war yet, can't just walk away and let it go.

[de officiis]

Like, what the fuck happened to America First? It's only been a hundred days and already you're going wobbly and looking for Foreign Devils to fight, America First, don't just say it, mean it.

You haven't even built one foot of the Trump wall, but already you're making plans to go a Nation Building overseas all over again? You're like crack addicts for this shit, jonesin' for a quagmire, anybody's quagmire will do.

It's like a disease that assimilates anyone occupying the Oval Office. Obama was somewhat immune, and many people are deeply critical of him because he was pretty skeptical about military boondoggles. That being said, I would surprised to learn that anyone on the NSC is advocating for a US ground war in NK. And the idea that SK and/or China would lead that is fantasy.

[Smitty-48]

It's the twin pillars, of the Civil War, and Vietnam, World War One and Two are actually irrelevant, the witches brew, is the Glorius Union, trying to win the Vietnam War, which it cannot accept that it lost, for the rest of its days, or until its gets it right, and so then can have the ticker tape parade that was denied it.

Civil War and Vietnam, those are the wars that haunt you.

[The Conservative]

The South Koreans won't do it, the South Koreans do not want to collapse the North, they are afraid of what happens when the wall comes down, they don't want to be stuck with North Korea, they don't want to get into killing Koreans in huge numbers, while refugees stream into the South, lest it destabilize the ROK, they are not going offensive, I would bet that they would refuse to fight significantly north of the DMZ, they wil defend the ROKm but they're not going all the way to Pyongyang, if America goes in there, don't count on allies going with you, assume that you will be going in alone, in terms of offensive and regime change.

Honestly, I'd just rather go in, make noise, kick down some doors, and then leave... this rebuilding shit isn't what we need to do. Especially since the UN has failed to do it on so many levels it's not funny.

I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, if they go to launch a nuke at you, you nuke them preemptively, counterforce, other than that, just leave it be.

Oh nor would I, but if we had to...

Also, NK may shoot it's nukes... and we'd shoot them down just as fast... they aren't a threat.

[Smitty-48]

The NK's have the nukes, if you invade, they could still nuke you, nuclear truck bomb is exponentially easier than hitting you with an ICBM, so invading them doesn't make you nuke proof, you could in fact actually be putting US forces into a nuclear kill zone, whereas without an invasion, in the face of your derterrent, that regime would never actually shoot an ICBM at you, they would only go suicide attack, if they were going to be dead anyways, when you come to depose them.

You roll fifty thousand troops into Pyongyang, and boom, nuclear truck bomb scorched earth, Vietnam like attrition, on the spot.

That's what I would do, evacuate to the mountain fortress, nuking you with a layback bomb on the way out. So now you have to come up into the mountains and dig me out, but having just been nuked, you ain't gonna be the same army you were five minutes before, and even if the American people are enraged, I still got more nukes where that came from, so come at me bro, I got nothing to lose.

[Smitty-48]

The bottom line is this, if you actually beleive that the NK regime is not a rational actor and would as a result commit nuclear suicide by ICBM, then what you are dealing with is a nuclear war by default, if they are willing to commit nuclear suicide by ICBM, then they are not going to be averse to nuclear scorched earth, so putting boots on the ground just to try to avoid a nuclear war; is not actually going to avoid a nuclear war on the Peninsula, it's a nuclear war either way, so might as well skip right to counterforce, nuke their nukes, from stand off range, with small nukes, multi-kiloton tactical, while you have your big nukes up in China and Russia's mouth, hair trigger, just so they don't get any ideas,

"Don't mind us, we're just nuking North Korea's nukes, this is not aimed at you, don't do anything crazy, and we won't have to go beyond a limited counterforce focussed on the DPRK and DPRK only".

Even after you execute the counterforce, you're still holding Pyongyang at risk, haven't the nuked the regime yet, but once you go nuclear option, they will know that you ain't playin', and that neither Beijing nor Moscow is going to commit nuclear suicide over the DPRK neither.

You're never going to put the fear of God back into these clowns, Pyongyang, Beijing and Moscow, and everybody fuckin' else, until they actually see the Terrible Swift Sword again, live and in living colour.

if you're going to war over a nuclear threat, that's a nuclear war by default, anyway you slice it, and if you're going to nuclear war, well then don't mess about, just do it.

[TheReal_ND]

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan's navy plans joint drills with the U.S. Navy's Carl Vinson carrier strike group as it steams towards the Korean peninsula in a display of military power aimed at deterring the North Korean regime from further missile tests, two sources said.

The Japanese Maritime Self Defence Force (MSDF) may conduct helicopter landings on each other's ships, as well as communication drills, as the USS Carl Vinson and its escort ships pass through waters close to Japanese territory, the sources said.

"Japan wants to dispatch several destroyers as the Carl Vinson enters the East China Sea," said one of the sources.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... la-sources

[Speaker to Animals]

North Korea is worse than Vietnam. Invading North Korea is the first major conflict we will have faced since.. since the Korean war.

[Smitty-48]

Politically, Vietnam was more intractable, adopting the French colonial proxy, Mandarin tyrant Diem, and then overthrowing him to take charge of the tyranny directly, basically turning Americans into Red Coats/Nazis from the Vietnamese peasant's point of view, so entirely unwinnable no matter how hard you fought, but the Korean Peninsula, while more viable in terms of your proxy, is certainly more prone to escalation into something really big and out of control, a high intensity theater war on the brink of nuclear war.