Trump takes the fight to ISIS

[nmoore63]

It’s seems you rant about them being different when it suites you but then desire to subject them to blind equality out of resentment for the ways in which they currently get preferential treatment.

[Speaker to Animals]

It’s seems you rant about them being different when it suites you but then desire to subject them to blind equality out of resentment for the ways in which they currently get preferential treatment.

Why does their being different mean they can't be treated as my equal before the law??

It seems to me you chafe at the thought of treating men and women as equals before the law. It's easier to project that kind of misogyny onto a person who wants true gender equality and then fall back on the "but we are different so we can't be equal before the law" quip, which was literally the frame every bigot in American history has tried to use so I don't know where you get off using that to signal your compassion for women.




I happen to think they are capable of better than what we have seen. That's just me, though. Maybe I am overly optimistic. Women can do just fine in military service. I have seen it myself. They also can be quite a lot stronger than what you commonly see today. They are generally physically weak because they are not expected to do any hard work. Go to any serious gym and you will see plenty of strong women. They are perfectly capable of getting drafted and that's supposed to be the price for enfranchisement in this country.

[Heraclius]

They are perfectly capable of getting drafted and that's supposed to be the price for enfranchisement in this country.

Got any sources to back up the claim that a draft is meant to be the price for enfranchisement? I don't recall any Founding Father saying that.

Personally I see the draft as a useless endeavor. Sure, I don't see any problem with having women register for the draft, but the act in itself is purely symbolic. We've already experienced the political suicide of a draft in a situation where the US can be seen as the aggressor. Likewise I doubt that people will put any weight on being registered for the draft. I don't think any 18-25 year old considered being registered for Selective Service to be anything more than extra paperwork in order to get access to financial aid in this generation. We're just too far separated from the damage of war in order to have it weigh deeply on the public conscience.

[clubgop]

You say this because you want it to be true. Not because it is.
Its easier to have someone to fight.

And I'm not against blowing up ISIS, but it will do next to nothing to end terrorism. The cancer is everywhere, sure cut out that little piece that happened to congeal into a large tumor but it will do very little to help the patient.

http://www.businessinsider.com/global-t ... ps-2017-5/

To be clear, I wanted to go blow up shit 16 years ago to, so I claim no innocence in this, but the tactics and methods have proven a failure.

We've spent trillions and have made no progress in the sand.

You only plan is to keep doing the same thing until you are punched out.

Spend the money on the VA, not on another hellfire strike that kills as many crazies as it creates.

Just. Come. Home.

This is where I am too. (However, I'm kind of pleased Trump took out ISIS's shit.)

Certainly. Fuck those crazies.

But there will always be more are crazies in Yemen, Niger, Mali, Burma, Nigeria, Uzbekistan....

But those crazies aren't ones of our own making. ISIS however was another story.

[Speaker to Animals]

They are perfectly capable of getting drafted and that's supposed to be the price for enfranchisement in this country.

Got any sources to back up the claim that a draft is meant to be the price for enfranchisement? I don't recall any Founding Father saying that.

“Compelled military service is neither repugnant to a free government nor in conflict with the constitutional guaranties of individual liberty. Indeed, it may not be doubted that the very conception of a just government and its duty to the citizen includes the duty of the citizen to render military service in case of need, and the right of the government to compel it.”

Finally, as we are unable to conceive upon what theory the exaction by government from the citizen of the performance of his supreme and noble duty of contributing to the defense of the rights and honor of the nation, as the result of a war declared by the great representative body of the people, can be said to be the imposition of involuntary servitude in violation of the prohibitions of the Thirteenth Amendment, we are constrained to the conclusion that the contention to that effect is refuted by its mere statement.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federa ... /case.html


It's a self-evident truth inherent in the very idea of a democratic republic. if the governing body, representing the will of the electorate, votes to declare war, then that same electorate have an obligation and duty to present themselves for muster if the governing body so requires it. To wit: the electorate elected representatives who voted for the fucking war; therefore the electorate can damned well fight the war their representative voted for. If they don't want to fight in the fucking war, then they should not elect a representative who plans to vote yes for said war.

If women want to vote on matters of war, then they can damned well present themselves to muster when the consequences of their votes lead to war. Otherwise, we shouldn't extend to them the right to vote. NOBODY should have any vote that in any way influences our decision to go to war who is not willing to sacrifice themselves in that war. It's suicidal to give the vote to a class of people exempt from paying the ultimate costs for their votes.

If women want to be citizens in the fullest sense (i.e. political enfranchisement), then they should sign up for the draft. Furthermore, the draft should be mandatory for all wars and major military actions.

[nmoore63]

Why does their being different mean they can't be treated as my equal before the law?? It seems to me you chafe at the thought of treating men and women as equals before the law.

Equal does not mean same.

I see no reason to sacrifice critical thinking to some god of perfect equality.

I know this, putting my wife into the trenches of war before me is never going to happen. You are not going to draft my wife before me, and it has nothing to do with considering her inferior or that she is unwilling to die for what she believes in.

Nor do I have issues with women in the military. V is for Voluntary.

And I'm fine if you really want to register women for the draft as some sort of symbol, because whatever that's all it would be. A draft isn't going to happen, and if it does, it will never be non-voluntary daughters first.

It's easier to project that kind of misogyny onto a person who wants true gender equality and then fall back on the "but we are different so we can't be equal before the law" quip, which was literally the frame every bigot in American history has tried to use so I don't know where you get off using that to signal your compassion for women.

Honestly, I'm not really interested in being lectured about bigotry by a person who thinks culture is inherit part of race.

I happen to think they are capable of better than what we have seen. That's just me, though. Maybe I am overly optimistic. Women can do just fine in military service. I have seen it myself. They also can be quite a lot stronger than what you commonly see today. They are generally physically weak because they are not expected to do any hard work. Go to any serious gym and you will see plenty of strong women.

Nor am I interested in lectures from you about the gym.

They are perfectly capable of getting drafted and that's supposed to be the price for enfranchisement in this country.

The price of enfranchisement has never been military service. No part of voting for George Washington was based on having served in the military. Now if you said possess wealth and resources and shown they are worth something THAT was supposed to be the price of enfranchisement...

[Hastur]

Good site:
http://syria.liveuamap.com/

[Speaker to Animals]

Shots fired:

[C-Mag]

Personally I see the draft as a useless endeavor. Sure, I don't see any problem with having women register for the draft, but the act in itself is purely symbolic. We've already experienced the political suicide of a draft in a situation where the US can be seen as the aggressor. Likewise I doubt that people will put any weight on being registered for the draft. I don't think any 18-25 year old considered being registered for Selective Service to be anything more than extra paperwork in order to get access to financial aid in this generation. We're just too far separated from the damage of war in order to have it weigh deeply on the public conscience.

The draft would not be useless, in fact it may be the only thing that could wake up Americans and get them concerned about foreign policy in a real way. Further, there are a great many benefits to the draft beyond waging war.

[Martin Hash]

I think everyone should be forced to get a doctorate before they can vote.