Nevertheless She Persisted, WTF?!

[jbird4049]

You're being vague. Elaborate on what you mean. Is what you saying is that these dumb rednecks on the dole are some of your most avid idealogical enemies? Is your saying they should get off the dole and get a job? Is that what you saying?

No, I am commenting on the hypocrisy. It's like those driving Porsche SUVs with fricking environmental bumper stickers. Although the Porsches are not too large, but then l've some ginormous SUVs with such stickers. Then those "liberal" drivers often block anymore housing, nevermind low income housing because mumble those cough hack colored people mumble the poors wheeze people like me might actually move in. The horrors!

[jbird4049]

It's no secret that larger cities generate more revenue. If you don't like it you should let the south secede.

If you are asking me, why should it? Especially since those populations most screwed by the United States, aside from maybe the deepest Rustbelt, is in the South.

The only problem I have is that the current strongholds of moocher hatred are also the seeming strongholds of moocherdom, which is hypocritical.

No it is not, it is a demonstration of the folly of a centralized one size fits all policy. The only thing that is being demonstrated is the lefts total agreement that welfare doesnt help people but traps them and how much joy you recieve in lording that "help" over people. That's the hypocrisy.

Red states receive more in federal dollars than they give in federal taxes, and Blue states pay more in federal dollars than they receive in federal money.

Thats simply bullshit and you know it. There is a lot of division and assesing in those numbers. The federal government should have to pay for their mandates. As an example Kansas receives a mega fuck ton of highway money not because they are welfare queens but because look at a fucking map. Its funny how all the supposed moocher states are centrally located.

SNAP, SSI, SSDI, Medicare...

[clubgop]

If you are asking me, why should it? Especially since those populations most screwed by the United States, aside from maybe the deepest Rustbelt, is in the South.

The only problem I have is that the current strongholds of moocher hatred are also the seeming strongholds of moocherdom, which is hypocritical.

No it is not, it is a demonstration of the folly of a centralized one size fits all policy. The only thing that is being demonstrated is the lefts total agreement that welfare doesnt help people but traps them and how much joy you recieve in lording that "help" over people. That's the hypocrisy.

Red states receive more in federal dollars than they give in federal taxes, and Blue states pay more in federal dollars than they receive in federal money.

Thats simply bullshit and you know it. There is a lot of division and assesing in those numbers. The federal government should have to pay for their mandates. As an example Kansas receives a mega fuck ton of highway money not because they are welfare queens but because look at a fucking map. Its funny how all the supposed moocher states are centrally located.

SNAP, SSI, SSDI, Medicare...

You mean Medicaid not medicare. Cause if you mean medicare you know you fucked up right? As for SNAP, SSI, SSDI and all the rest of it once again the math eludes you. Why is it a shock or crime that in a means tested nationwide program more are participating and qualified in places with lower average incomes? On 20 to 25k in the sticks a family can get on quite nicely plus qualify for govt bennies, while that same family making 50K in LA can barely scrape by and doesnt qualify for shit. That is not about hypocrisy that is not about mooch or no mooch that is about the stupidity of a one size fits all centralized policy. You want someone to blame get out of my face and find a fucking mirror.

[clubgop]

Red states receive more in federal dollars than they give in federal taxes, and Blue states pay more in federal dollars than they receive in federal money. Just as Red states are generally poorer than Blue states. Nothing good, or bad, is implied, at least by me. It just is.

I've actually always been fine with this deal and willing to pay up. The benefits and, frankly, loyalty are more important, but it gets irritating to hear the constant bashing. We've totally forgotten what made us great in the first place.

Once again when the right uses that same math it's racist. When it is pointed out a higher % of blacks and hispanics are on these programs suddenly we cant look at those numbers only the gross figures count. Why is that? Is it because these people vote democrat so you are more than happy to subsidize their poverty? And besides you are not paying up you are a military spouse you are a net drain. You should know that, in those stats you cling to you are a net debit on the federal treasury just as much as any food stamp or welfare recipient.

[MilSpecs]

Red states receive more in federal dollars than they give in federal taxes, and Blue states pay more in federal dollars than they receive in federal money. Just as Red states are generally poorer than Blue states. Nothing good, or bad, is implied, at least by me. It just is.

I've actually always been fine with this deal and willing to pay up. The benefits and, frankly, loyalty are more important, but it gets irritating to hear the constant bashing. We've totally forgotten what made us great in the first place.

Once again when the right uses that same math it's racist. When it is pointed out a higher % of blacks and hispanics are on these programs suddenly we cant look at those numbers only the gross figures count. Why is that? Is it because these people vote democrat so you are more than happy to subsidize their poverty? And besides you are not paying up you are a military spouse you are a net drain. You should know that, in those stats you cling to you are a net debit on the federal treasury just as much as any food stamp or welfare recipient.

You're missing my point. I get when the right becomes irritated at people collecting more benefits than they pay in and then those same people bash the right. I don't consider that irritation by itself to be racist. What the right is missing is that it goes both ways - there are people on the coasts and other blue bastions who are supporting the red areas financially and to a larger degree. In a blue state, a 10%er pays less in state taxes than in federal taxes. I pay a lot to support Newark and Camden, but I pay more to the federal government and that ups my state contribution. If the federal contribution were even between the states I wouldn't have to pay so much to the state.

And now the point you're missing: I actually don't mind the financial disparity that much. It's part of the deal for remaining a country. I'm not a military spouse and I recognize that the red areas contribute more people to the armed forces than the blue areas, so it's only fair that we pay more for it. It would be nice if the red areas recognized that the blue areas are essential instead of the ridiculous talk about the country breaking up.

[Fife]

Ugh.

Racism is ugly.

[clubgop]

I've actually always been fine with this deal and willing to pay up. The benefits and, frankly, loyalty are more important, but it gets irritating to hear the constant bashing. We've totally forgotten what made us great in the first place.

Once again when the right uses that same math it's racist. When it is pointed out a higher % of blacks and hispanics are on these programs suddenly we cant look at those numbers only the gross figures count. Why is that? Is it because these people vote democrat so you are more than happy to subsidize their poverty? And besides you are not paying up you are a military spouse you are a net drain. You should know that, in those stats you cling to you are a net debit on the federal treasury just as much as any food stamp or welfare recipient.

You're missing my point. I get when the right becomes irritated at people collecting more benefits than they pay in and then those same people bash the right. I don't consider that irritation by itself to be racist. What the right is missing is that it goes both ways - there are people on the coasts and other blue bastions who are supporting the red areas financially and to a larger degree. In a blue state, a 10%er pays less in state taxes than in federal taxes. I pay a lot to support Newark and Camden, but I pay more to the federal government and that ups my state contribution. If the federal contribution were even between the states I wouldn't have to pay so much to the state.

And now the point you're missing: I actually don't mind the financial disparity that much. It's part of the deal for remaining a country. I'm not a military spouse and I recognize that the red areas contribute more people to the armed forces than the blue areas, so it's only fair that we pay more for it. It would be nice if the red areas recognized that the blue areas are essential instead of the ridiculous talk about the country breaking up.

I thought you were a DCF holdover, my point still stands just without the personal connection. You are the ones started out calling people moochers wanting your money back. It would be nice if the blue areas recognized that the red areas are essential instead of the ridiculous talk about the country breaking up.

[clubgop]

I pay a lot to support Newark and Camden, but I pay more to the federal government and that ups my state contribution. If the federal contribution were even between the states I wouldn't have to pay so much to the state.

What? You pay as much to the state because you like big government. You think that if DC left money on the table, Trenton wouldn't move in to take it? And you wouldn't let them? Please.

[jbird4049]

I pay a lot to support Newark and Camden, but I pay more to the federal government and that ups my state contribution. If the federal contribution were even between the states I wouldn't have to pay so much to the state.

What? You pay as much to the state because you like big government. You think that if DC left money on the table, Trenton wouldn't move in to take it? And you wouldn't let them? Please.

MilSpecs and I,(hopefully I'm not putting the wrong words in your mouth) not only accept, but want Federal money going to the more needy. We are all Americans, no matter what anyone might say.

It is just that it is annoying to see that those areas with the greatest need, and therefore the greatest aid, also have the greatest number of those who have contempt for those who take such aid. It's like seeing flood victims being contemptuous of flood victims taking aid. It is so bizarre.

[MilSpecs]

I pay a lot to support Newark and Camden, but I pay more to the federal government and that ups my state contribution. If the federal contribution were even between the states I wouldn't have to pay so much to the state.

What? You pay as much to the state because you like big government. You think that if DC left money on the table, Trenton wouldn't move in to take it? And you wouldn't let them? Please.

MilSpecs and I,(hopefully I'm not putting the wrong words in your mouth) not only accept, but want Federal money going to the more needy. We are all Americans, no matter what anyone might say.

It is just that it is annoying to see that those areas with the greatest need, and therefore the greatest aid, also have the greatest number of those who have contempt for those who take such aid. It's like seeing flood victims being contemptuous of flood victims taking aid. It is so bizarre.

That is exactly how I feel.

It's right up there with people insisting that their Social Security is "money they paid in." Most people get back far more than they paid in, so at some point those people are also taking aid. Even sending your kids to public school is taking aid, unless you pay enough state taxes over your lifetime to cover the per pupil cost for 13 years of your kid's education. And yet again, I really did cover the cost of my kids' education, plus the cost of other kids' college (since I pay out of state tuition for a public college), all voluntarily.

The red states feel they've gotten a raw deal. In some ways that's true. In some ways the blue states have it worse. We would all have it a lot worse without each other.