THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:21 pm

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Smitty-48 wrote:The only model that works for the Democrats, is Jack Kennedy, that's Clinton, that's Obama, but Jack Kennedy knows enough to wait until the GOP has run out of gas before he pounces, Jack Kennedy doesn't run into the teeth of the incumbent.
He waited for Nixon, and it paid off beautifully, he didn't go after Eisenhower, that would have been suicide.
The only off cycle win was Carter, but Carter was actually Gerry Ford's second term, a second term for Domestic Tranquility, because people were under the impression that Carter was a facilitator, but when it turned out that Carter was a dictator, Domestic Tranquility collapsed.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:21 pm

GOP voters love neocons, thinking otherwise is extremely naive.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:24 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:The only model that works for the Democrats, is Jack Kennedy, that's Clinton, that's Obama, but Jack Kennedy knows enough to wait until the GOP has run out of gas before he pounces, Jack Kennedy doesn't run into the teeth of the incumbent.
He waited for Nixon, and it paid off beautifully, he didn't go after Eisenhower, that would have been suicide.
The only off cycle win was Carter, but Carter was actually Gerry Ford's second term, a second term for Domestic Tranquility, because people were under the impression that Carter was a facilitator, but when it turned out that Carter was a dictator, Domestic Tranquility collapsed.
Ford was never elected though, elected incumbents have only been unseated twice in the last 100 years, Reagan and Clinton are the only one's to break that cycle. The only time a one-term president knocked off an incumbent president was Carter indeed, usually when an incumbent POTUS gets knocked off it's by a two-term president, but Ford never being elected explains that anomaly to my satisfaction. Carter and Bush Sr. got knocked off, because they were lightweights, but it still took a future two-term President to unseat them.

That's how formidable an advantage being an incumbent POTUS is in American politics.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:28 pm

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StCapps wrote:He waited for Nixon, and it paid off beautifully, he didn't go after Eisenhower, that would have been suicide.
The only off cycle win was Carter, but Carter was actually Gerry Ford's second term, a second term for Domestic Tranquility, because people were under the impression that Carter was a facilitator, but when it turned out that Carter was a dictator, Domestic Tranquility collapsed.
Ford was never elected though, elected incumbents have only been unseated twice in the last 100 years, Reagan and Clinton are the only one's to break that cycle in the last 100 years.
Indeed, Ford was merely a place holder, but so was Carter, Carter was supposed to be Gerry Ford 2.0, but he was Jekyll and Hyde, on the surface he seemed eminently reasonable and conciliatory, but as soon as he got into office he turned into Mr Hyde.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:31 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
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Smitty-48 wrote: The only off cycle win was Carter, but Carter was actually Gerry Ford's second term, a second term for Domestic Tranquility, because people were under the impression that Carter was a facilitator, but when it turned out that Carter was a dictator, Domestic Tranquility collapsed.
Ford was never elected though, elected incumbents have only been unseated twice in the last 100 years, Reagan and Clinton are the only one's to break that cycle in the last 100 years.
Indeed, Ford was merely a place holder, but so was Carter, Carter was supposed to be Gerry Ford 2.0, but he was Jekyll and Hyde, on the surface he seemed eminently reasonable and conciliatory, but as soon as he got into office he turned into Mr Hyde.
Yet it still took a future two-term President to unseat him, that's how strong an advantage being an incumbent POTUS is, same deal with Bush Sr.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:32 pm

StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:
StCapps wrote:Ford was never elected though, elected incumbents have only been unseated twice in the last 100 years, Reagan and Clinton are the only one's to break that cycle in the last 100 years.
Indeed, Ford was merely a place holder, but so was Carter, Carter was supposed to be Gerry Ford 2.0, but he was Jekyll and Hyde, on the surface he seemed eminently reasonable and conciliatory, but as soon as he got into office he turned into Mr Hyde.
Yet it still took a future two-term President to unseat him, that's how strong an advantage being an incumbent POTUS is.
If Carter hadn't been the incumbent, he wouldn't have even been the candidate, it would have been Ted Kennedy.

Carter barely won the primary, as the incumbent. At one point Kennedy was out polling him two to one.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:34 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote: Indeed, Ford was merely a place holder, but so was Carter, Carter was supposed to be Gerry Ford 2.0, but he was Jekyll and Hyde, on the surface he seemed eminently reasonable and conciliatory, but as soon as he got into office he turned into Mr Hyde.
Yet it still took a future two-term President to unseat him, that's how strong an advantage being an incumbent POTUS is.
If Carter hadn't been the incumbent, he wouldn't have even been the candidate, it would have been Ted Kennedy.

Carter barely won the primary, as the incumbent. At one point Kennedy was out polling him two to one.
Yet further proof of the power of being an incumbent POTUS in American politics. Even Reagan couldn't beat Ford in the primary, that's how powerful it is.

Worked out great for the Gipper, in the end, but you get what I'm saying.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:37 pm

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Speaker to Animals wrote:I think the neocons are basically DNC, yeah. Paul Ryan might as well be a democrat. So too should McConnell.
The Neocons have more power in the Republican Party, than your so-called "Real Right", the "Real Right" didn't win Trump the election, the neocons and swing voters did.

No shit. That's the problem. They represent like half of one percent of the electorate, and they constantly burn their own base. Hello, McFly. This has been going on since 1932. These jackasses don't represent the American people or even their own electorate.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:38 pm

StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:
StCapps wrote:Yet it still took a future two-term President to unseat him, that's how strong an advantage being an incumbent POTUS is.
If Carter hadn't been the incumbent, he wouldn't have even been the candidate, it would have been Ted Kennedy.

Carter barely won the primary, as the incumbent. At one point Kennedy was out polling him two to one.
Yet further proof of the power of being an incumbent POTUS in American politics. Even Reagan couldn't beat Ford in the primary, that's how powerful it is.
People always say that the Hostage Crisis brought Carter down, but in actual fact, the Hostage Crisis was the only reason he won the primary, he was the President, Americans were in harms way, it was a crisis, and the Democrats simply balked at bringing the Commander-in-Chief down in the middle of all that, Carter actually beat Kenendy, because the Democrats were rallying around the CinC.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:38 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
StCapps wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:I think the neocons are basically DNC, yeah. Paul Ryan might as well be a democrat. So too should McConnell.
The Neocons have more power in the Republican Party, than your so-called "Real Right", the "Real Right" didn't win Trump the election, the neocons and swing voters did.

No shit. That's the problem. They represent like half of one percent of the electorate, and they constantly burn their own base. Hello, McFly. This has been going on since 1932. These jackasses don't represent the American people or even their own electorate.
Yes they do, the Republican electorate wants the neocon agenda, they lap it up. Yet you're fronting like you know your American presidential political history post-1932, clearly you don't. GOP voters don't punish the GOP for pursuing the neocon agenda when in office, they reward them, repeatedly since 1932, clown.
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