Like what?Speaker to Animals wrote:If they link this back to Russia, there is going to have be some serious consequences for smuggling a nerve agent into England and then releasing in public.
Montegriffo wrote:Like what?Speaker to Animals wrote:If they link this back to Russia, there is going to have be some serious consequences for smuggling a nerve agent into England and then releasing in public.
Last time it was polonium and all we did was kick some diplomats out.
It comes as police said government scientists have identified the nerve agent used, but will not be making that information public at this stage.
A source familiar with the investigation told the BBC the agent was likely to be rarer than the Sarin gas thought to have been used in Syria and in an attack on the Tokyo subway in 1995.
And it was said not to be VX - the nerve agent used to kill the half brother of the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Malaysia last year.
Earlier, Ms Rudd told the BBC the nerve agent used in the poisoning was "very rare".
Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said Russia was becoming an "ever greater threat", amid speculation the attack could have some element of state involvement.
"Russia's being assertive, Russia's being more aggressive, and we have to change the way that we deal with it because we can't be in a situation in these areas of conflict where we are being pushed around by another nation," he told ITV's Good Morning Britain.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43326734The fact the nerve agent is "very rare" will help the investigation narrow its focus.
Making nerve agents and delivering them requires considerable infrastructure and the more unusual the agent the easier it will be to locate which country, even which laboratory, might be involved.
That combined with police leads on who delivered the agent will form the basis for a determination of responsibility, along with any other intelligence that can be gathered.
It may take days - even weeks - for the government to be confident enough to make a public statement, because it will not want to risk getting any details wrong.
But if suspicions about Russia are confirmed, then some kind of action seems inevitable.
The legacy of the 2006 Litvinenko case shows that expelling diplomats alone may not be regarded as much of a deterrent to future acts.
Economic sanctions on the Russian elite may have more bite, but would require greater political will.
Mr Skripal, 66, was convicted of passing secrets to MI6 but was given refuge in the UK in 2010 as part of a "spy swap".
Nerve gas or polonium make a bigger public statement. There have been plenty of other suspicious deaths but they just don't get the same coverage.Speaker to Animals wrote:I don't even get this. Why not just fucking shoot the guy? You are going to get burned for assassinating him one way or another, but at least you don't add chemical weapons violations (international law violation) and an act of war in the mix.
You know that Russia probably poisoned someone in London with a radioactive agent a decade or so ago, in London, right? They have been going around the world assassinating people regardless of borders. Hell, I think they even shot someone in their driveway in DC once, like 10 or 20 years ago.Speaker to Animals wrote:Holy shit:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 7ff8761286
If they actually did that, that could be construed as an act of war. Assassinating defectors is one thing; releasing a nerve agent in another country is fucking nuts.
A public inquiry into the killing of former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko has concluded that President Putin probably approved his assassination. But who was he and why did his death cause such controversy?
Former spy Alexander Litvinenko was killed in November 2006, leading to a clouding of relations between London and Moscow.
The 43-year-old had been an officer with the Federal Security Service (FSB), the successor to the KGB, but he fled to Britain where he became a fierce critic of the Kremlin. In his final years he also became a British citizen.
After he was killed by radioactive polonium-210, believed to have been administered in a cup of tea, it emerged the father-of-one was being paid by the British secret service MI6.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01679.htmlExpert on Soviet Intelligence Shot in Adelphi
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By Candace Rondeaux
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 3, 2007
Federal and local law enforcement authorities are investigating a shooting in Prince George's County that critically injured a prominent intelligence expert who specializes in the former Soviet Union.
Paul Joyal, 53, was shot Thursday, four days after he alleged in a television broadcast that the government of Russian President Vladimir Putin was involved in the fatal poisoning of a former KGB agent in London.
Law enforcement sources and sources close to Joyal, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case, said the motive for the shooting was unclear. But several sources confirmed that FBI investigators are looking into the incident because of Joyal's background as an intelligence expert and his comments about the Alexander Litvinenko case.
Joyal was shot by two men in the driveway of his house in the 2300 block of Lackawanna Street in Adelphi about 7:30 p.m. Thursday. The shooting was reported yesterday by Channel 4.
And polonium-210, that was used on English soil, was even a higher level of fucked up, IMO, StA. That is my point, they had done worse in the past and borders don't really matter to them.Speaker to Animals wrote:Using a chemical weapon in England is a completely different level of fucked up, Penner.
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