THE ERA OF TRUMP

[StCapps]

Solid point. The feelz are everything, and everything is feelz.

*yip*
Trump knows how to play to people's feelz, that's why he won, immigration schmimmigration, that was just a tool he used to play to people's feelz, it's not why he won, he could have picked another issue and rode people's feelz to victory just as easily.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Solid point. The feelz are everything, and everything is feelz.

*yip*
Trump knows how to play to people's feelz, that's why he won, immigration schmimmigration.

Works great, until something needs to actually be done.

[StCapps]

Works great, until something needs to actually be done.

If you want to pass something that needs to be done, you have to sell it with feelz, and Trump is good at that, he's the Salesman in Chief.
/shrugs

[Speaker to Animals]

Capps understands Trump's base as much as he understands electromagnetism: not at all.

Immigration and ending free trade deals are the two issues of his base. If he signs off on DACA, his support vanishes. He already lost the middle with the crony capitalism at the FCC.

[StCapps]

If he signs off on DACA, his support vanishes.

Just watch him do it, and watch as his support doesn't vanish. You are talking out of your ass.

He already lost the middle with the crony capitalism at the FCC.

His position on Net Neutrality didn't hurt him at all, projecting, again. He did not win because of NAFTA or Immigration, he won because he was good at spinning those issues to appeal to voters feelz, not because of everyone expects him to follow hardline positions on policy issues with no room for negotiation. Trump campaigned on making deals, not on ideological purity, he's a pragmatist, not an ideologue. People didn't elect him to be an ideologue, they elected him because he's a pragmatist who makes deals, that was his whole campaign spiel. Just because all you heard was anti-illegal immigration and anti-free trade deals, doesn't mean Trump can't compromise on those issues or lose his base, faulty assumption.

[Speaker to Animals]

You are the one projecting.

Signing a DACA deal would decimate his base.

[StCapps]

Signing a DACA deal would decimate his base.

Not if he gets his wall. The Wall is more important than DACA, and getting the Democrats to cave on the wall to save DACA, that's a win to his base. You aren't his base, you just think you are, I know I'm not his base, so I don't pretend that the American electorate sees him the way that I do, you on the other hand assume most Trump voters voted for him for the exact same reasons that you did.

[DBTrek]

You make no sense Capps.

You claim Trump got support for stoking people’s feelings on immigration reform, then turn around and say it doesn’t matter what Trump does on immigration.

Clearly it does matter, since by your own admission he won the election by appealing to people’s strong emotions on the issue.

[Speaker to Animals]

Signing a DACA deal would decimate his base.

Not if he gets his wall. The Wall is more important than DACA, and getting the Democrats to cave on the wall to save DACA, that's a win to his base. You aren't his base, you just think you are, I know I'm not his base, so I don't pretend that the American electorate sees him the way that I do, you on the other hand assume most Trump voters voted for him for the exact same reasons that you did.

Bullshit. With chain migration, DACA means millions more will be here. Amnesty is the worst policy and never works. People will be pissed.

[StCapps]

You make no sense Capps.

You claim Trump got support for stoking people’s feelings on immigration reform, then turn around and say it doesn’t matter what Trump does on immigration.

Clearly it does matter, since by your own admission he won the election by appealing to people’s strong emotions on the issue.

It matters, but his base will see DACA for The Wall, as a more than good deal, so he won't lose his support. DACA is not as important as you all seem to think it is, Trump isn't out to target the DACA kids, he's after the "bad hombres", always was.

Trump isn't going to lose support by making a deal on immigration reform that is better than any other alternative to Trump was going to be able to swing as POTUS, his base won't abandon him for making such a deal, just because they won't get absolutely everything they want as part of that deal, be real. DACA isn't that important, hence why Trump is willing to concede on it, in order to try and get the more important parts of his immigration reform passed.

Trump is picking his battles with the Democrats on immigration, to maximize his chances of success, his base won't abandon him, because compromising on DACA to make a deal, that was simply never a deal breaker to them, even if it is a deal breaker to folks like StA.