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Post by Penner » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:57 pm

Hastur wrote:Can we expect the US to stop trying to influence foreign elections from now on?

And arrest Soros for meddling in Brexit.
Never heard Soros influnced the Brexit? I mean I would've assumed that he wouldn't be in favor of Brexit because it would (probably) weaken markets but I have heard Russia has.
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Post by C-Mag » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:08 pm

Hastur wrote:Can we expect the US to stop trying to influence foreign elections from now on?

And arrest Soros for meddling in Brexit.


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Post by Haumana » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:50 pm

Penner wrote: Never heard Soros influnced the Brexit? I mean I would've assumed that he wouldn't be in favor of Brexit because it would (probably) weaken markets but I have heard Russia has.

Do you ever wonder why you have only heard what you have heard?

https://www.google.com/search?q=soros+b ... 3&dpr=1.25

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Post by Hastur » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm

Penner wrote:
Hastur wrote:Can we expect the US to stop trying to influence foreign elections from now on?

And arrest Soros for meddling in Brexit.
Never heard Soros influnced the Brexit? I mean I would've assumed that he wouldn't be in favor of Brexit because it would (probably) weaken markets but I have heard Russia has.
So lazy. Just Google Soros Brexit.

Here's one randomly selected.
https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.cnbc.co ... paign.html
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Post by C-Mag » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:59 pm

I think Hungary has Soros on their most wanted list for this shit. They fucking hate him.
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Post by C-Mag » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:29 am

Former CIA Director James Woolsey was on Laura Ingrahm tonight and asked at the end if the US messed around in other countries elections. Woolsey said, 'well during the cold war........', then was asked, we don't do that anymore.............. Woolsey was like,
Well, him, haw.............. didn't answer.
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Post by Hastur » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:06 am

I think this was Putin’s plan all along. He wanted to get even for all the US meddling in the 2012 Russian election. Hillary was Secretary of State and he never forgot about it.
What if the Russians were able to stop all future US meddling for the price of some Facebook adds that almost no one saw?
Spectacular win.

Why can’t the US just suck it up once in awhile?
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Post by BjornP » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:03 am

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Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!
Depending on excatly what Trump means when he writes "anti-US campaign", I'd put it even earlier than 2014. RT launched their US service September 2005. But he's still making a valid point against the part of US media that are treating Russian interference as something uniquely more dangerous, and uniquely more recent only when Trump ran for and won the office.
Hastur wrote:I think this was Putin’s plan all along. He wanted to get even for all the US meddling in the 2012 Russian election. Hillary was Secretary of State and he never forgot about it.
What if the Russians were able to stop all future US meddling for the price of some Facebook adds that almost no one saw?
Spectacular win.

Why can’t the US just suck it up once in awhile?
Probably a combination of a bit of that, maybe as the initial motivation for increasing the foreign propaganda budget, and looking for ways to weaken geopolitical rivals more efficently. Though Russia spend more just on RT than the US spend on Voice of America, VOA services in the Middle East and North Africa haven't excatly helped their image there, relative to how positive particularly people on the US right-wing have gotten toward Russia and Putin in recent years.

Anyway, found this in regards to 2014:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/ ... ssia-today
Putin will next year increase its global budget by 40% to 15.38bn roubles (£183m), up from 11.87bn roubles this year. The channel boasts of a worldwide reach of 700 million – while never disclosing the actual size of its audience – after expanding its Spanish service across South America.
I doubt that Putin would authorize spending so much money on propaganda outreach only to "get even". It might be a factor in increasing the budget, but it could also be that some analyst figured the Western postmodern trend to blur the question of what's reality and facts as something that's "Just like your opinion, maaaan", is a great tool for a country used to truth and facts being just a question of power. Blaming Russia for taking advantage of our own self-inflicted weaknesses, is like convincing a starved dog to become a vegan while wearing a suit of steaks.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:35 am

C-Mag wrote:

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Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!

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Post by Ex-California » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:44 am

Did anyone read the indictment?

It all boils down to one thing

"retweets"

Section 45, Page 17

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/vbp ... s-election
No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session