Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

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Re: Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

Post by PartyOf5 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:34 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote: Me too. Job-hopping is the new 'career ladder'. Haven't stuck around more than 2 years in a long, long time.

That's not the same as 'asking for a raise' though, is it?
Job hopping every 2 years or less? You've been red flagged by most HR departments for that. Who is going to invest in someone who has proven they will be gone in that time?

I agree that sticking with a company for decades and moving up through it is the exception today rather than the norm. Still, hopping that much is not the best career ladder to use.

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Re: Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:38 pm

PartyOf5 wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote: Me too. Job-hopping is the new 'career ladder'. Haven't stuck around more than 2 years in a long, long time.

That's not the same as 'asking for a raise' though, is it?
Job hopping every 2 years or less? You've been red flagged by most HR departments for that. Who is going to invest in someone who has proven they will be gone in that time?

I agree that sticking with a company for decades and moving up through it is the exception today rather than the norm. Still, hopping that much is not the best career ladder to use.

LOL

In the tech industry? That's how it works now. Unless you really like your current job and don't mind no salary advancement.

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Re: Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:40 pm

PartyOf5 wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote: Me too. Job-hopping is the new 'career ladder'. Haven't stuck around more than 2 years in a long, long time.

That's not the same as 'asking for a raise' though, is it?
Job hopping every 2 years or less? You've been red flagged by most HR departments for that. Who is going to invest in someone who has proven they will be gone in that time?

I agree that sticking with a company for decades and moving up through it is the exception today rather than the norm. Still, hopping that much is not the best career ladder to use.
It seems to work. I've found a pretty awesome place now, and I'm happy here after 1 year.

I actually didn't even contact them - got a call from HR about my resume, out of the blue. It was posted on Monster and CareerBuilder at the time.

I've never been given more than a 2-3% raise upon request. Doing this though, I've more than doubled my income in 5 years. :shrug:
I think the expectation is to stay somewhere for at least 1-2 years, no less. I only show the most recent 3 jobs on my resume, and if they want a "5-year history" on the paperwork, I'll be showing 3-4 jobs.

If some place wants my entire work history, then something has gone terribly wrong with my career, or the world. :lol:
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Re: Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

Post by DBTrek » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:45 pm

Wait GCF ... you mean as you gain work experience and skills each successive employer is paying you more?

How can that be? I thought middle management simply determined your labor value based in their budget numbers? Have you run into a hot streak of philanthropist managers?

Or ... does your acquired experience and skills make you more productive than a kid fresh out of college?
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Re: Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

Post by jediuser598 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:24 pm

Again, why have a minimum wage at all?

Labor used to be worth, to some companies, company scrip. Why not go with that?
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Re: Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

Post by Fife » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:29 pm

jediuser598 wrote:Again, why have a minimum wage at all?

Labor used to be worth, to some companies, company scrip. Why not go with that?
Right on, man!!

Fucking Bezos will prolly start wanting to make Amazon gift cards and "Prime" memberships part of his slaves' "compensation." And shit.

Fight the powers that be!!!

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Re: Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

Post by DBTrek » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:41 pm

Switzerland doesn’t have a minimum wage, and it consistently has lower unemployment than other Western nations. It also isn’t some dystopian hellhole where Evil Corp pays people in EC dollars and leverages them into perpetual debt. Loud cowbells tho.

Of course, the elderly, disabled, and idle are able to do work at whatever productivity level their circumstances allows without the government shutting them down. If grandma wants to hang door mailers along her morning walk for a couple bucks an hour she can supplement her income that way - it’s no crime.

Does wonders for workforce participation.

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Re: Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:45 pm

DBTrek wrote:Wait GCF ... you mean as you gain work experience and skills each successive employer is paying you more?

How can that be? I thought middle management simply determined your labor value based in their budget numbers? Have you run into a hot streak of philanthropist managers?

Or ... does your acquired experience and skills make you more productive than a kid fresh out of college?
:think:
I’ll be the first to say that I don’t produce as much monetary value as I’m paid. It’s simply me competing against others with the same skill set. I undercut them, and help overall wages decline for the worker no choice in the matter.
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Re: Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

Post by DBTrek » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:49 pm

Well, if you truly don’t produce as much value as you’re paid I got some bad news for you ...

... that ride isn’t going to last.
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Re: Economics: Minimum Wage, Who Gets Hurt?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:06 pm

DBTrek wrote:Well, if you truly don’t produce as much value as you’re paid I got some bad news for you ...

... that ride isn’t going to last.
IT = Overhead, Dude. There’s no measurable value to show, much to my benefit.

It’s like trying to measure the value of a manager or HR person. There isn’t any.
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