Tax Plan For Aristocracy

[Viktorthepirate]

I suppose it depends on if this discussion is about Trump taxes or society at large.

If we are talking society at large, no government controls on the acquisition of wealth leads inevitably to the a few holding all the money. It's a snowball affect. Wealth makes it easier to acquire more wealth. Big companies buy and out gut their competition etc...

It's a balancing act. "Taxation is theft" oversimplifies things a bit.

I think it's weird on how a board populated entirely with people of above average intelligence any discussion on tax policy immediately devolves into attacks on the motives of anyone with opposing ideas.

[StCapps]

We are headed towards the walled compound guarded by a private army, with most everyone else starving outside the gates. Lifting inheritance taxes is just speeding up our trip.

SIFCLF alert.

[MilSpecs]

We are headed towards the walled compound guarded by a private army, with most everyone else starving outside the gates. Lifting inheritance taxes is just speeding up our trip.

SIFCLF alert.

I didn't say we'd see it in my lifetime. You're in Canada, so you won't see it at all.

BTW, go to Georgetown in D.C. if you want to actually see public streets with private armed guards and attack dogs. That part's not in the future.

[LVH2]

At least some part of it is that people have been conned into believing they empathize with wealthy elites who, in turn, view them as vermin.

e.g. some guy who makes 80k as a corporate cog thinks "we" is him and the Walton family (deserving achievers), and "you" is another wage monkey who makes less than him, as well as people on welfare, homeless, in prison, etc.

Crazy political views are always driven by self esteem issues. - me.

You are projecting your own problems onto other people. Most of us don't give a shit about the wealthy. Not wanting to take another man's wealth doesn't mean I want to be that guy.

Everything you just posted is, in my experience, how the left view themselves. It's a set of ideologies that arise from envy and hate. They can't stand that somebody achieved more, has more money or possessions, etc. They think that money equals happiness and it makes them feel inferior. So they lash out at the successful families because it's easier to imagine some dark cabal of lazy exploiters.

Talk about greed and derision for your fellow humans.. Just live your life. Try to be happy. If you were able to plunder all of the Walton family wealth, odds are you'd be no happier a few years down the road or, more likely, less happy. Try some stoicism.

I'm fine. I don't care about money very much. I pretty much never sit around dreaming of mansions and sports cars. I actually might be subject to an inheritance tax one day. My wife's family has money, but they are foreign, so I have no idea what will happen if she gets enough to be taxed. I'll view anything we get as a stroke of good fortune.

I've read plenty of stoicism. Seneca tried to keep Nero in check, though maybe he sold out a bit. Heard different things. Never read anything in Marcus about how the poor elites didn't have enough wealth and power. We're not talking about your neighbor having a nicer car than you. We're talking about our country moving to a third world model, but with more prisons.

I'm somewhat surprised by the pushback on the idea that the much of wealthy political and economic elites of today view the rest of us as vermin. We accept, for example, that they are willing to start protracted wars for no reason other than personal gain, yes? You can't do that if you view the people suffering in those wars as human beings, more or less equal to yourself. They sure don't send their people to fight anymore, like they did in WWII. Why is that?

Are all of them evil? Of course not.

The idea that progressive taxation, a large middle class and at least some new competition each generation is hardly some sort of radical left wing idea. These are essential to every first world nation of the last century. It feels silly pointing this out, but what was taxation like under Eisenhower? Nixon?

Jedi asked why we have come to look down upon working stiffs and celebrate those born rich. Some even attempt to tell sob stories about the inheritance tax. I do think part of that is many are conditioned to empathize with the rich and separate themselves from the poor. They want the line that separates "successful" "winners" to be bellow them. It's a self esteem game, just like libs wanting to be in the circle of non-racists.

An odd example of this is sports talker Collin Cowherd. He always talks about how his audience is made up of successful people, not losers who work at Applebees. It's a key part of his recipe. Why does this sort of thing work so well?

I don't think this is an unusual tactic. It's like when a really cool high school kid gives a bit of attention to a lower status kid to get something from them.

If you're a libertarian ideologue, that's one thing. Fife is always going to oppose taxes. But if you're just a conservative or an independent and over the last few years one of your pet issues has become that the children of the ultra rich pay too much in taxes, that's just kind of weird on it's face.

[StCapps]

You realize that lower and middle class people pass inheritances down to their children as well, right? An inheritance tax isn't even just a tax on the rich, it's a tax on everyone. It's anti-family, it's anti-freedom, and it doesn't help keep a meritocracy strong either, it's all downside, no upside in sight. You should to stop looking for ways to penalize the wealthy and start finding ways to benefit the poor and the middle classes, if the only way you can think of to do that is Robin Hood Economics, then your imagination sucks, because he best way to help with less, is not to tear down the rich, so if you insist on tearing down the rich as the best course of action, you are actually hurting the poor and middle classes by keeping the dependent on the government, you don't want them earning more and then paying more in taxes so that there is more wealth to redistribute, no you want to take shit from the rich instead and turn into a government handout.

Like I said, Robin Hood Economics, not the best way to run an economy, especially for the poor and middle classes, think harder, that isn't the solution.

[Martin Hash]

The Royalists on this forum are sure loud. They try to bully their way to victory BUT I am royalty, and as such, I will start changing their screen names to "Fuck You 1," "Fuck You 2," etc. because I'm special, and I deserve to be able to do that.

p.s. Who's first? StA, do you want to be "Fuck You 1"? Okee, how about you?

[LVH2]

Google tells me the tax kicks in at 5.4 million.

This popped up on google. Sounds like a liberal organization, but if they are making these things up, feel free to point it out.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-t ... estate-tax






Used to be, taxation began at $800,000. But I guess they changed that.

[StCapps]

The Royalists on this forum are sure loud. They try to bully their way to victory BUT I am royalty, and as such, I will start changing their screen names to "Fuck You 1," "Fuck You 2," etc. because I'm special, and I deserve to be able to do that.

p.s. Who's first? StA, do you want to be "Fuck You 1"? Okee, how about you?

That's not how Noblesse Oblige works, with great status comes great responsibility, that's the whole point, you don't just get to be an asshole that is out to gain at everyone's expense and get pat on the back, if you're higher status, you are suppose to act like it, or you get looked down upon. That is Noblesse Oblige.

[C-Mag]

The Royalists on this forum are sure loud. They try to bully their way to victory BUT I am royalty, and as such, I will start changing their screen names to "Fuck You 1," "Fuck You 2," etc. because I'm special, and I deserve to be able to do that.

p.s. Who's first? StA, do you want to be "Fuck You 1"? Okee, how about you?

I identify as a Royal, an Oligarch and an Aristocrat. So, I feel your pain Martin. I'm glad your around, because it's pretty lonely at the top.

[Martin Hash]

The Royalists on this forum are sure loud. They try to bully their way to victory BUT I am royalty, and as such, I will start changing their screen names to "Fuck You 1," "Fuck You 2," etc. because I'm special, and I deserve to be able to do that.

p.s. Who's first? StA, do you want to be "Fuck You 1"? Okee, how about you?

I identify as a Royal, an Oligarch and an Aristocrat. So, I feel your pain Martin. I'm glad your around, because it's pretty lonely at the top.

People only respect money. I'm sorry, C-Mag, you're a pleb.