CS 317 Shades of Grey

[Zero]

Taking a walk with my 7 year old, well, I’m walking shes jogging ahead because she has so much energy.

I just asked her this question, starting with a simple pretext of “Should boys and girls be treated equally?”

“Yes.”, she says unequivocally.

“If a boy is required to serve the country in the Army if needed, should girls also be required to serve?”

She thinks a second then replies, “Yes, girls should, because it’s their country too.”

No coaching, and I’ve never asked her that before.

That’s what I’m talking about - she can understand service and equity, along with a healthy sense of self-worth. I needn’t accept the radicalism of Emily Parkhurst to appreciate her basic point and pass it along to my daughter without all the extremist baggage that is ultimately unproductive and aggressively oppositional.

It’s anecdotal, I know, but illustrative of what I’m after.

[TheReal_ND]

Could be manipulated by an outside agent as well. I know Storm Front has been doing this to google for years with some funny results.

So either way, we’re being manipulated, but now because of the scale and reach of the Internet, it’s manipulation that is global and anonymous.


Due to the source, it’s unironically slanted and places an inordinate burden on the right and conservative news outlets, but the underlying point stands.

Epistemology is the branch of philosophy having to do with how we know things and what it means for something to be true or false, accurate or inaccurate. (Episteme, or ἐπιστήμη, is ancient Greek for knowledge/science/understanding.)

The US is experiencing a deep epistemic breach, a split not just in what we value or want, but in who we trust, how we come to know things, and what we believe we know — what we believe exists, is true, has happened and is happening.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... mic-crisis

So, is there a ‘purple pill’ variety of news and information so that we can at least have a common set of facts with which to base decisions off of without destroying the aspirational veneer of the American Dream? Just give me some truth, some options and a desire to see as many people succeed at life as possible when given the opportunity to work at it on as level a playing field as possible.

For example, why is it so hard just to have a honest evaluation of American inventors that contributed to the advancement of society in some way without tilting to absurdity that ultimately distracts from their real contribution.



****Disclaimer- I know this is likely training wheels stuff for y’all.

Everything is biased. Difference being progressive outlets and progressives themselves will accuse people of laboring under "informed thinking," while they themselves have to actively wall off avenues of intellectual thinking. I mean they have to because they can't even go two steps without tripping themselves up on a contradiction. Am I, as a white supremacists, laboring under informed thinking when I point out that the west is the best? Absolutely. But at least it's not contradictory and I can go more than a few steps without tripping myself up with a contradictory statement.

[StCapps]

It’s anecdotal, I know, but illustrative of what I’m after.

I would advise against projecting your daughters attitude on this matter on others, especially if you're projecting her views on a lot of kids of her generation. Just be grateful that she is smart enough to realize that right now, but don't assume that this view is illustrative of societies view on the matter, that just leads to faulty analysis based on wishful thinking. The attitude of the demos on this matter is not reflected in your daughter's thinking, so start giving your daughter more credit, and the rest of society less credit.

[Zero]

It’s anecdotal, I know, but illustrative of what I’m after.

I would advise against projecting your daughters attitude on this matter on others, especially if you're projecting her views on a lot of kids of her generation. Just be grateful that she is smart enough to realize that right now, but don't assume that this view is illustrative of societies view on the matter, that just leads to faulty analysis based on wishful thinking. The attitude of the demos on this matter is not reflected in your daughter's thinking, so start giving your daughter more credit, and the rest of society less credit.

I absolutely give her full credit. I agree with you, wishful thinking on it’s own is worse than useless. Wanting to contribute positively to society by practicing what you preach is useful however. However temporarily, she will impact the things and people around her. She can work towards her own betterment, and that of her little sphere of existence.

She’s an optimistic, compassionate soul, most children that haven’t been traumatized are, and I want to nurture that while also trying my best to prepare her a potentially harsh world where she ultimately has to take care of herself. As a parent, that’s basically my job - to prepare her to be independent.

But I suppose that’s my larger point, it’s difficult, but it’s possible to seek, and maybe find balance on some of these issues. I think it just takes patience and humility.

[GloryofGreece]

I think this article does a good job of explaining the fact that no voter or party is rational or objective through and through. I wish most citizens knew and understood this. It might make it a little easier to talk to someone that sees things differently.
http://quillette.com/2017/09/28/trump-v ... rrational/

[TheReal_ND]

Conservatism was never a rational idea. It was the contemporary Americana which sought to preserve its way of life. Putting it down on paper as some sort of free market panacea to communism was a very Jewish trick.

[TheReal_ND]

The very essence of the conservative movement is the American people, the real American people. And conservatism itself is not so much an ideology but a group-feeling; it is a sympathy for and identification with the American people and those polices which benefit and strengthen our noble nation. The conservative movement, rightly understood, is a positive, life-affirming movement. It is an expression of the American people's desire to live, grow, survive, expand, persist and flourish. And the various policies advocated by the conservative movement are simply those policies that are in the interest of the American heartland hero as opposed to the interests of entrenched liberal elites, foreign peoples and foreign nations, Hollywood, Wall Street, or Washington. In other words, conservatism is simply that natural affinity that the American people have for themselves, their way of life, their traditions and their future; it is best understood when it is perceived as a sort of collective self-preservation instinct of the American people. Thus, conservatism—a positive affirmation of the American people as a viable cultural entity—stands in stark contrast to liberalism, which is a negative reaction against the American people and their natural desire to grow and prosper as a nation.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's just damned peculiar how feminists and the earlier suffragettes did so much to secure privileges for women but nowhere have they seemed to actually secure any corresponding obligations for women. Even more peculiar is how they are so bloody rabid about enforcing men's newfound obligations to women without any corresponding rights and privileges. We have to pay for their children but we have no rights to our own children. We have to go fight and die for the pointless wars they vote for, but don't we dare suggest they should have to serve too. It's almost as if they were never really about equality before the law at all but, rather, unjustifiable privileges for women to the detriment of men..

Women want freedom from the kinds of labor they find unflattering, such as sewage and logging, and they want guaranteed access to the kinds of high-status labor they find flattering on them, such as CEOs, but they definitely don't want any of the accountability that goes with it. When they fuck that up too, it's called the "glass cliff" and men are to be held accountable for the failures of women.

There is no balance to be had with people like this. You either stand up for gender equality or you do not and -- news flash -- feminists and any other of the many far-left cultural marxists do NOT in any way stand for equality before the law. Not now, not years ago, and not any time in the future.

[Hwen Hoshino]

It's just damned peculiar how feminists and the earlier suffragettes did so much to secure privileges for women but nowhere have they seemed to actually secure any corresponding obligations for women. Even more peculiar is how they are so bloody rabid about enforcing men's newfound obligations to women without any corresponding rights and privileges. We have to pay for their children but we have no rights to our own children. We have to go fight and die for the pointless wars they vote for, but don't we dare suggest they should have to serve too. It's almost as if they were never really about equality before the law at all but, rather, unjustifiable privileges for women to the detriment of men..

Women want freedom from the kinds of labor they find unflattering, such as sewage and logging, and they want guaranteed access to the kinds of high-status labor they find flattering on them, such as CEOs, but they definitely don't want any of the accountability that goes with it. When they fuck that up too, it's called the "glass cliff" and men are to be held accountable for the failures of women.

There is no balance to be had with people like this. You either stand up for gender equality or you do not and -- news flash -- feminists and any other of the many far-left cultural marxists do NOT in any way stand for equality before the law. Not now, not years ago, and not any time in the future.

Nobody really gets to vote for wars.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's just damned peculiar how feminists and the earlier suffragettes did so much to secure privileges for women but nowhere have they seemed to actually secure any corresponding obligations for women. Even more peculiar is how they are so bloody rabid about enforcing men's newfound obligations to women without any corresponding rights and privileges. We have to pay for their children but we have no rights to our own children. We have to go fight and die for the pointless wars they vote for, but don't we dare suggest they should have to serve too. It's almost as if they were never really about equality before the law at all but, rather, unjustifiable privileges for women to the detriment of men..

Women want freedom from the kinds of labor they find unflattering, such as sewage and logging, and they want guaranteed access to the kinds of high-status labor they find flattering on them, such as CEOs, but they definitely don't want any of the accountability that goes with it. When they fuck that up too, it's called the "glass cliff" and men are to be held accountable for the failures of women.

There is no balance to be had with people like this. You either stand up for gender equality or you do not and -- news flash -- feminists and any other of the many far-left cultural marxists do NOT in any way stand for equality before the law. Not now, not years ago, and not any time in the future.

Nobody really gets to vote for wars.

Nonsense. 65.8 million people voted for a war with Russia last year. 54% of women voted for it, and 100% of them would not have had to actually fight the fucking thing.