The 4th Turning - our current events

[Speaker to Animals]

I have, a couple of times. One of my favorites.

That's what you are defending, or rather the next iteration of the same historical pattern.

Globalism is imperialism. It's the historical trend that runs counter to decency and the good.

One of my favorite things about Conrad is that he doesn't really do morality plays. But, as with all great literature, it certainly allows for different interpretations.

I wasn't speaking allegorically. "Globalism" is just old imperialism. Instead of using nation states to carry it out, they've created the World Bank, IMF, UN, and international corporations and NGOs to carry out the strip-mining of resources from the developing world, including now the labor and economic futures of those peoples. This isn't some totally new thing under the sun. It's literally the same imperialism from the 19th century reborn but carried out by NGOs. Dutch West India Co. no longer needs a monarch to back them up. They have international laws and bankers to do that for them.





That's globalism. Enjoy it, I guess.

[Speaker to Animals]

Globalist corporations routinely exploit child slave labor.




Yay, globalism. You are really on the good side here..

[Speaker to Animals]

Enjoy your heart of darkness I mean globalist shoes..

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I don't know from 'good side.'

But, as far as things go, the spread of rights for laborers, restricting the most abusive practices of private entities, and the like, has been a slog. A slog that benefits from capital.
Like you said, these are not new problems. In fact, they are problems that are so damn old, that I am not sure what world you are referring to that has a 'good side' free from them.
Which Eden are we shooting for, free from abuse of power?

You want to agitate for workers rights? I am on board.

You think we need more trade protectionism? Great, I'm no absolutist on economic ideas.

You want to locate some mystical 'good side' free from abuse of power? Good luck, I'm out. Seen to many villains and idiots claim to be the good side to have much patience with that noise.

[Speaker to Animals]

Globalism is literally the evaporation of labor rights altogether. I don't think you understand who's side you stand on here.

[Smitty-48]

You want to agitate for workers rights? I am on board.

You think we need more trade protectionism? Great, I'm no absolutist on economic ideas.

How does putting them out of work with protectionist barriers enhance their workers rights?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Globalism is literally the evaporation of labor rights altogether. I don't think you understand who's side you stand on here.

No, globalism is literally planning economic and foreign policy globally. How we affect that planning can adapt and change and prioritize different values, but there is no version of this world where we won't have global foreign and economic policy, and there is no version of this world where the abuse of power will be tempting for those who have it.

Isolationist countries are not paragons of workers rights, anywhere in the world, ever in history. They abuse power and wealth, they just have less of it.

[Speaker to Animals]

Globalism is literally the evaporation of labor rights altogether. I don't think you understand who's side you stand on here.

No, globalism is literally planning economic and foreign policy globally. How we affect that planning can adapt and change and prioritize different values, but there is no version of this world where we won't have global foreign and economic policy, and there is no version of this world where the abuse of power will be tempting for those who have it.

Isolationist countries are not paragons of workers rights, anywhere in the world, ever in history. They abuse power and wealth, they just have less of it.

Maybe look at the world as it actually exists. Globalism, in fact, has been nothing more than the gradual unraveling of labor rights around the world. It's a global fleecing.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

You want to agitate for workers rights? I am on board.

You think we need more trade protectionism? Great, I'm no absolutist on economic ideas.

How does putting them out of work with protectionist barriers enhance their workers rights?

It certainly wouldn't, but I am open to prioritizing worker protections for my countrymen, if they are open to paying higher prices for consumer goods. I am not a single silver bullet to fix all problems sort of thinker. Every solution carries a new problem. All one can do is prioritize.

[Smitty-48]

You want to agitate for workers rights? I am on board.

You think we need more trade protectionism? Great, I'm no absolutist on economic ideas.

How does putting them out of work with protectionist barriers enhance their workers rights?

It certainly wouldn't, but I am open to prioritizing worker protections for my countrymen, if they are open to paying higher prices for consumer goods. I am not a single silver bullet to fix all problems sort of thinker. Every solution carries a new problem. All one can do is prioritize.

Higher prices means lower production, won't you just be putting your own workers out of work, along with the filthy unpersons in the Third World at the same time?