pineapplemike wrote:I don't know death totals or numbers, but taken at face value the statement seems pretty ballsy. Religions have fucked with culture and Western civilization, great figures, great men. AIDS has killed a lot of people in Africa. Not to trash Africa or anything, but the difference in value of life should probably be considered in this debate. Do you send your extra nickel to Africa after the late night commercials? I don't. Fuck Africa
Religions haven't actually caused that much death and mayhem, really. Most of the wars have been political, and some economic. If you look at the ideologies that drove nations to war, you will see religion as the primary driver up until the Enlightenment. But there weren't that many people before the Enlightenment. But as soon as you get to the Enlightenment, you encounter radical atheistic governments like the France's first republic, the Soviet Union, or the Khmer Rouge. I am pretty sure that, even if you normalize the differing population totals in the different times, it doesn't even match up.
And remember this goes back to that bullshit label that actual bigots like Monty throw about at anybody who disagrees with their radical ideology. They claim that an aversion to something like homosexuality or Islam is irrational. First, if that's irrational, then what is their aversion to Christianity? Second, I wouldn't say many of us have an aversion to homosexuals. We simply don't agree with the assertion that their lifestyle is moral. Third, though I would claim many of us are averse to Islam, there exists good reason to be critical of both Islam and the gay lifestyle ideology as it is expressed by "LGBT". These two ideologies have inflicted much pain and suffering on western civilization in recent generations. I have a rational reason to not want more Muslims in my country: I don't want more terror attacks.
And if I were gay, I would definitely feel a rational aversion towards Islam, since those people would then want to murder me. Does that make homosexuals who oppose further immigration by Muslims "Islamaphobes"? Because they don't want to be gunned down like the people at Pulse Nightclub, or thrown off the tops of buildings? Am I an Islamaphobe because I don't want anybody I care about to be murdered by yet another Muslim terrorist?
I don't think so. I think people like Monty are totally full of shit.
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For that matter, are the Muslims Monty wants imported into his nation by the millions "homophobes" because more than half of them were surveyed as saying they would prefer to imprison or kill off the homosexuals in England?
Can you imagine the fucking contradictions these people operate under every day without even grasping the fact?