StCapps wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:20 am
Montegriffo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:42 am
StCapps wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:21 am
You don't need a deal, what you need is balls to call the EU's bluff, and they will cave and give you a better deal before you leave, or they will cave soon after you leave and you'll get a better than if you cave to them. Caving to the EU gets you the worst possible deal from among those options.
Grow some fucking balls faggots, leaving only on the EU's terms is Cuck Nation.
We do need a deal.
Parliament has decided that we do.
The EU does not set the terms, all they can do is approve the UK's terms.
They cannot compromise on the four pillars and have said this from day one.
If Boris want's to leave by the 31st he has to get a plan approved both by Parliament and the EU. There is no longer time to do this.
There will be an extension followed by a vote of no confidence and a General Election.
A loss in the GE will result in a 2nd referendum and if the polls are correct a 55-45% win for remain.
If they don't approve of the UK terms, then the UK is forced to come up with other terms, and when you clearly don't have the stomach to call their bluff, they are going to force you to ask for less than you would get if you left and then came to deal, and less than you would get if threatening to leave forces them to cave. You are going to have a deal whether you get one before you leave or not, but if you puss out and refuse to leave without a deal, they have all the leverage, and you will get a worse deal than if you grew some balls and called their bluff.
If there is an election, Bojo will win.
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
The EU has been making plans to mitigate a no-deal Brexit for at least 2 years now. They understand better than many here what the consequences would be.
They aren't bluffing.
If Macron had his way they would throw us out deal or not on the 31st. The uncertainty is affecting investment on both sides of the channel.
However, there is no mechanism for throwing us out. All they can do is approve a deal as they did with May's and hope it is passed in Parliament.
We could have left last March if it were not for all the vested interests in Parliament voting against the Chequers agreement.
Boris and the ERG headed by Rees Mogg scuppered it by voting against.
Corbyn and the Labour party helped to scupper it because they thought it was the best way to get a GE.
There is still no solution to the Irish border problem which is any better than the backstop and that is still the main sticking point.
The only chance Boris has is to put forward another vote on May's deal and hope everyone is so fed up they pass it this time.