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[StCapps]

All y'all have is "abomination", so I win. You have no good reason to do as you suggest, you want to nuke people "just in case". That's not a fucking argument. My argument is, if you are going to nuke someone, it might as well be of benefit to America to nuke them, and not be a net loss to America to nuke them. Y'all are determined to make it a net loss because you are overly worried about the worst case scenario coming to pass, I am determined that America gains something out of nuking North Korea, something that it is worth the consequences.

[Smitty-48]

The abomination is central to the issue, Juche is a doomsday cult, and it is all encompassing, it makes calculations based on its wholly organic and completely internalized totalitarian ideology, and it is so deeply entrenched, it is beyond the control of the regime itself, the regime talks to itself, all day every day for decades on end, and it talks itself into a very dark place.

It is not just a bunch of slaves being manipulated by a cabal of otherwise cynical miscreants, the regime itself is enlaved by its own cult, and that cult, is nothing Americans will want to be in an indefinite launch on warning hair triggert alert confrontation with, the problem is, they are procrastinating, because of course, no one is eager to do what must be done, with B61's, but this is allowing the breach to close rapidly, while the Americans simply whistle past the graveyard.

[Speaker to Animals]

The longer we wait, the stronger they get; and the stronger they get, the greater the suffering on all sides when the war goes hot again.

[StCapps]

The longer we wait, the stronger they get; and the stronger they get, the greater the suffering on all sides when the war goes hot again.

The gap is widening, the only place it isn't, is in terms of nuclear technology. They don't have the economy to close the gap militarily, let alone keep it from widening. They fall further behind every day, the nukes are the exception. South Korea can hand them their ass, they ain't shit.

[Smitty-48]

The North Korean economy is in a boom, they are not in economic crisis, quite the opposite in fact, however, economic pressure would not reduce the reliance on the nuclear option, it would incite the nuclear option to be their only option, as conventional forces are expontentially more expensive than nuclear forces in relative terms, without the Soviet Union propping it up, they cannot afford a massive conventional deterrent anymore, but this is the very reason why they are shifting to a wholly nuclear option, the nuclear option, is the most affordable and cost effective option of all, so long as you can get to plutonium implosion device, done and done, deliverable strategically, threshold now, and then deuterium capsule two state fission-fussion, coming up shortly.

[StCapps]

The North Korean economy is in a boom, they are not in economic crisis, quite the opposite in fact, however, economic pressure would not reduce the reliance on the nuclear option, it would incite the nuclear option to be their only option, as conventional forces are expontentially more expensive than nuclear forces in relative terms, without the Soviet Union propping it up, they cannot afford a massive conventional deterrent anymore, but this is the very reason why they are shifting to a wholly nuclear option, the nuclear option, is the most affordable and cost effective option of all, so long as you can get to plutonium implosion device, done and done, delivrable strategiclly, threshold now, and then deuteriuam capsule two state fission-fussion, coming up shortly.

North Korea's economy is booming for North Korea, not in general, they are third world hell hole, don't snow.

[Smitty-48]

North Korea's economy is booming for North Korea, not in general, they are third world hell hole, don't snow.

Don't mistake the third world of their peasant class with the second world of their urbanized class and the first world of their military class.

Their nuclear technology is not third world, it is old tech, but it is proven, and it is Soviet/Russian in nature, and it is not in anyway obselete, it is simply first generation Cold War tech, but in actual fact, that tech was the exponentially more dangerous tech.

The advancements which the Americans and Soviets progressed to from there, made the tech exponentially safer, not more dangerous, and in fact exponentially less lethal, not more lethal, and much more expensive, not less expensive.

Cost effective lethality with nuclear weapons, is a political choice, and the path which Pyongyang is selecting, is the cheap, simple, and easy one, and the exponentially more dangerous and lethal one as well. The bombs which North Korea ends up with, will dwarf the yields of the ones the Americans and Russians deploy now, at a fraction of the cost.

It will take some time before they are fully MIRV'd up, but when they go two stage fission-fusion, they will be going 1950's version, which was multimegaton yields. Doesn't actually take that much deuterium, to get to Castle Bravo, which again; 1954.

And the North Koreans have an advantage that the Americans did not have, which is that the lithium-deuteride capsule miniaturization stage has already been invented, so they don't have to re-invent the wheel to miniaturize, so they will get there much faster than the Americans did.

And again, this where the abomination becomes central, because this is the ultimate totalitarian regime, they make the Stalinist Soviets look like Canada in comparison, and unlike the Soviets, they focus the entire efforts of the regime on this program, when they were in economic crisis in the 1990's, the program to achieve two stage fission-fusion multimegaton yield interncontinental against the CONUS, carried on fully resourced, as the population suffered mass famine.

They're not a bunch of dirt farmers who don't know how to build a hydrogen bomb, and they can focus their entire efforts on it, like no other regime in the history of the world.

[StCapps]

You might have to take them out eventually, and it might be preferable to happen sooner rather than later, but obviously tomorrow isn't optimal timing for a preemptive attack on North Korea like you propose. I'm certainly not saying wait forever on the current trajectory, that is obviously untenable.

[Smitty-48]

You might have to take them out eventually, and it might be preferable to happen sooner rather than later, but tomorrow isn't optimal timing for attack like you propose and you know it.

The clock is ticking towards less optimal all the time, every hour that goes by, the counterforce option becomes increasingly less optimal, the window right now, is absolutely one sided, total North Korean anihilation, zero casualties in the CONUS, as the clock ticks along, the casualties in the CONUS rise from zero to millions, on a rather steep curve in fact, so the rational calculation is sooner not later, later not sooner is not rational, that is calculation by feelz.

Yes, it doesn't feelz right to drop the B61's on them yet, cause you know, they haven't broken out yet, but when they break out and feelz catch up to rationality, then the situation will be exponentailly more perilous, for millions of Americans in the kill zone. As CinC, I would not let it get there, I would breakout before the North Korean breakout, break out of the whistling past the graveyard paradigm, before that graveyard went exponential by default.

[StCapps]

You might have to take them out eventually, and it might be preferable to happen sooner rather than later, but tomorrow isn't optimal timing for attack like you propose and you know it.

The clock is ticking towards less optimal all the time, every hour that goes by, the counterforce option becomes increasingly less optimal, the window right now, is absolutely one sided, total North Korean anihilation, zero casualties in the CONUS, as the clock ticks along, the casualties in the CONUS rise from zero to millions, on a rather steep curve in fact, so the rational calculation is sooner not later, later not sooner is not rational, that is calculation by feelz.

I'm not suggesting they let it get the point where any number of US casualties in the CONUS is acceptable, strike before the one sided nature of the window has closed certainly.

Every hour that ticks by is not less optimal, allowing at least a few hours to tick by will allow the US to get in a better position to deliver a pre-emptive strike at the very least. So clearly the optimal time is somewhere between whenever everything is in position to strike, if they so choose, and when the NK cross that threshold and can actually strike the CONUS. The longer you can wait, while still safely taking out the regime before they cross the threshold, the more the optimal timing for a preemptive strike.

That's what I'm advocating, at least wait until the best time to strike, and that the best time to strike is not "right this hour, every hour that ticks by is just begging NK to cross the threshold any second naow", even if you refuse to admit it for some weird reason. I recall you saying that Trump would wait to strike NK until he at least had the right assets in the area, and I never heard you say that he's perfectly set up for a pre-emptive strike as we speak since you made that comment.

So why are you jumping the gun now in this argument with this "every hour that ticks by is less optimal" crap? For the lulz you get from pissing off liberals and lolbergs maybe? I think so. You often change your arguments to suit your mood, as opposed to changing them based on the facts on the ground, and that's exactly what you are doing in this thread. Disingenuous argumentation for the lulz, that's your game right now, and you refuse to drop the charade.