War With Communists

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Re: War With Communists

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:44 pm

They used to use modern machinery to pick cotton during the Soviet era. We saw rusting farm equipment everywhere.

I remember visiting East Germany back in the day, what a hellhole, and it was supposedly a showcase.
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Re: War With Communists

Post by Ex-California » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:54 pm

Martin Hash wrote:They used to use modern machinery to pick cotton during the Soviet era. We saw rusting farm equipment everywhere.

I remember visiting East Germany back in the day, what a hellhole, and it was supposedly a showcase.
BUT COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED CORRECTLY
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Re: War With Communists

Post by ssu » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:02 pm

Martin Hash wrote:They used to use modern machinery to pick cotton during the Soviet era. We saw rusting farm equipment everywhere.

I remember visiting East Germany back in the day, what a hellhole, and it was supposedly a showcase.
The equipment of collective farms are surely now rusting. But how much they were rusting in the end of the Soviet Union is the question here. And was Soviet Union genuinely coping better is the question here.

I'm not saying here that a Kazakhstan is some "Asian Tiger", I'm only saying that it hasn't fallen off a cliff. At least yet...
The gap between the rich and poor have become larger, that's for sure. But as long as enough people think that one can tolerate the situation, that long everything will muddle through without true barbarism taking hold.

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Re: War With Communists

Post by ssu » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:04 pm

California wrote:BUT COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED CORRECTLY
I wonder why neonazis don't use the same line. Perhaps they are more honest?

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Re: War With Communists

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:13 pm

ssu wrote:
California wrote:BUT COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED CORRECTLY
I wonder why neonazis don't use the same line. Perhaps they are more honest?

Fascism didn't really fail, though. It was bombed and raped out of existence. I wouldn't take that tact if I were you, because it's a losing one.

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Re: War With Communists

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:46 pm

I'm fervently anti-communist, I'm just willing to look beyond my young indoctrination after visiting the former empire. Obviously, capitalism rules, but if all there is is Czars & peasants, communism may be a temporary solution.
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Re: War With Communists

Post by Ph64 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:31 pm

Martin Hash wrote:I'm fervently anti-communist, I'm just willing to look beyond my young indoctrination after visiting the former empire. Obviously, capitalism rules, but if all there is is Czars & peasants, communism may be a temporary solution.
Thus why the communists want to import lots more peasants? :roll:

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Post by Okeefenokee » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:32 pm

Martin Hash wrote:I'm fervently anti-communist, I'm just willing to look beyond my young indoctrination after visiting the former empire. Obviously, capitalism rules, but if all there is is Czars & peasants, communism may be a temporary solution.

communist wants us remember our history under the czars that never was
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Re: War With Communists

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:20 am

Okeefenokee wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:I'm fervently anti-communist, I'm just willing to look beyond my young indoctrination after visiting the former empire. Obviously, capitalism rules, but if all there is is Czars & peasants, communism may be a temporary solution.

communist wants us remember our history under the czars that never was
When I visited historic St. Petersburg, Dacha after fabulous Dacha, immense, overwrought, with complex water-fountain systems, all unimaginably expensive, the first thing I said to my wife, Gwynne, was, "no wonder these people had a revolution."
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Re: War With Communists

Post by ssu » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:19 pm

Martin Hash wrote:When I visited historic St. Petersburg, Dacha after fabulous Dacha, immense, overwrought, with complex water-fountain systems, all unimaginably expensive, the first thing I said to my wife, Gwynne, was, "no wonder these people had a revolution."
With better handling the Russian Empire could have avoided it's fate. Many Monarchies could make a peaceful transition from autocracy to democracy, to say that Russians would be totally incapable of that is quite racist in my view. But that's the problem with absolute monarchs: when you have an inept one, you have serious problems. Add to that a weak central government (as the land is so enormous with a multitude of different people in it), you have problems.

As my grandparents were born in Imperial Russia (though in an Grand Duchy), I would definately choose Romanov rule than the Soviet Union and Stalin. No difficulty in making that decision. Heck, there's a bit difference things not perhaps working well and masses people being slaughtered. The idea that Communism "was better" is like thinking that Sherman's march to the sea was good for the people of Georgia. Put them in place, made them understand that they had lost the war.